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Re: cloudflare hosting a ddos service?


From: Paras Jha <paras () protrafsolutions com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:42:48 -0400

A five minute Google search revealed this, which is just the tip of the
iceberg

booter.xyz
exitus.to
zstress.net
critical-boot.com
instress.club
webstresser.co
anonymousstresser.com
rawdos.com
kronosbooter.com
alphastress.com
synergy.so
str3ssed.me
layer7.pw

There are probably hundreds



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Paras Jha <paras () protrafsolutions com>
wrote:

This is quite common, almost all of the DDoS-for-hire services are hosted
behind CloudFlare, and a great majority of them take PayPal. Another one
had even managed to secure an EV SSL cert.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com>
wrote:

I used to have a boss that was convinced that MCafee was writing viruses
to stay in business....

Regards,

Dovid

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Rosenthal <pr () isprime com>
Sender: "NANOG" <nanog-bounces () nanog org>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:17:53
To: jim deleskie<deleskie () gmail com>
Cc: NANOG list<nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: cloudflare hosting a ddos service?

Plus, it’s good for business!

-Phil

On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:14 PM, jim deleskie <deleskie () gmail com> wrote:

sigh...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net

wrote:

CloudFlare will claim they are not hosting the problem. They are just
hosting the web page that lets you pay for or points at or otherwise
directs you to the problem.

The actual source of packets is some other IP address. Therefore, they
can
keep hosting the web page. It is not sending the actual
[spam|DDoS|hack|etc.], right? So stop asking them to do something
about it!

Whether you think that is the proper way to provide service on the
Internet is left as an exercise to the reader.

--
TTFN,
patrick

On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Mike <mike-nanog () tiedyenetworks com>
wrote:

Hi,

  So vbooter.org's dns and web is hosted by cloudflare?

"Using vBooter you can take down home internet connections, websites
and
game servers such us Minecraft, XBOX Live, PSN and many more."

  dig -t ns vbooter.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t ns vbooter.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62177
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;vbooter.org.            IN    NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
vbooter.org.        21599    IN    NS    rick.ns.cloudflare.com.
vbooter.org.        21599    IN    NS    amy.ns.cloudflare.com.

dig -t a www.vbooter.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-3ubuntu0.8-Ubuntu <<>> -t a www.vbooter.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 34920
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.vbooter.org.        IN    A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.vbooter.org.    299    IN    CNAME    vbooter.org.
vbooter.org.        299    IN    A    104.28.13.7
vbooter.org.        299    IN    A    104.28.12.7


  Can anyone from cloudflare answer me why this fits with your
business
model?

Mike-






--
Regards,
Paras

President
ProTraf Solutions, LLC
Enterprise DDoS Mitigation




-- 
Regards,
Paras

President
ProTraf Solutions, LLC
Enterprise DDoS Mitigation


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