Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news

["K. Scott Helms" <kscotthelms () gmail com>]

Of course not, but do you really want to be sued?  Even if the US courts
decline to accept GDPR cases, which is not at all a given since we have a
long history of bilateral enforcement, it costs money to deal with and I
don't want to worry that I'm going to fly one day to a country that will
enforce civil penalties.

While I don't tell most people or companies to worry if they only do
business in the US I also don't think it's a good idea to simply thumb your
nose at the EU regulators.  Some North American direct marketing and data
collection firms are definitely going to get a rude, and expensive,
awakening despite not having any EU operations.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> *shrugs* Me hurting the EU's feelings is rather low on the list of things
> I care about.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "K. Scott Helms" <kscotthelms () gmail com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
> Cc: "NANOG list" <nanog () nanog org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 7:46:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news
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> Sadly this isn't true. While I doubt the EU regulators are going to come
> head hunting for companies any time soon they do have mechanisms in place
> to sanction companies who don't do business in the EU and the scope is
> clearly intended to reach where ever the data of EU natural persons is
> being held.
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> https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/
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> I asked one of the EU regulators at RSA how they intended to enforce GDPR
> violations on businesses that don't operate in their jurisdiction and
> without hesitation he told me they'd use civil courts to sue the offending
> companies.
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> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote:
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> If you don't have operations in the EU, you can not so politely tell the
> EU to piss off.
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> Midwest-IX
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Matthew Kaufman" < matthew () matthew at >
> To: "Fletcher Kittredge" < fkittred () gwi net >
> Cc: "NANOG list" < nanog () nanog org >
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 8:07:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news
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> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:56 PM Fletcher Kittredge < fkittred () gwi net >
> wrote:
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> > What about my right to not have this crap on NANOG?
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> What about the likely truth that if anyone from Europe mails the list,
> then
> every mail server operator with subscribers to the list must follow the
> GDPR Article 14 notification requirements, as the few exceptions appear to
> not apply (unless you’re just running an archive).
>
> Matthew