Re: Amazon now controls 3.0.0.0/8

["Dalton, Paul P [CTO]" <Paul.Dalton () sprint com>]

Remember when AS 1 was Genuity?  First BGP session I ever set-up was with AS 1.

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Subject: Re: Amazon now controls 3.0.0.0/8

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Speaking of AS1 - I've been wondering, what's it being used for? It looks like Level3 owns it, and it's announcing a 
handful of prefixes and peering with a bunch of random ASes from many different countries.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Steve Meuse <smeuse () mara org<mailto:smeuse () mara org>> wrote:

John Orthoefer and I (and dozens of other BBN folks on this list) both worked for BBNPlanet at the time that 4.2.2.1 
and 4.2.2.2 were assigned. John was one of the folks who built and ran that system.

So when he said "I wish we could have used 4.4.4.4" and my comment of "I think the dial modem folks beat us to..." was 
referring to the fact that when 4/8 was first being deployed on AS1 we started assigning blocks to various groups and 
they realized that 
4.4.4.0/XX<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.4.4.0%2FXX&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=jfL%2FllncZlcRgdY1CdDjC5ueGio02dDgP4tlslqPzLU%3D&reserved=0>
 had already been delegated to another internal group (I think it was the dial group).



On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 8:45 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
4.0.0.0/8<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.0.0.0%2F8&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=ggblju816KE%2F8TWMXEKUYmpACyy1vH54uRD0dBCCOtk%3D&reserved=0>
 has been GTE/Level3 forever.

4.2.2.1 - 6 have been L3 DNS as far back as I can remember.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 8:32 PM Todd Underwood <toddunder () gmail com<mailto:toddunder () gmail com>> wrote:
google used 4.4.4.4 for DNS in the past (2010, IIRC).

t

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 8:21 PM Steve Meuse <smeuse () mara org<mailto:smeuse () mara org>> wrote:

I think it was the dial modem team that beat us to 
4.4.4.0/24<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.4.4.0%2F24&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=omZw5JrEbg7yJeNd%2BhwNMVDz6mMAX4C0%2FuzJ5M2VObk%3D&reserved=0>?

-Steve

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 7:44 PM John Orthoefer <jco () direwolf com<mailto:jco () direwolf com>> wrote:
I wish we could have used 4.4.4.4. Although at the time I suspect we would have used 4.4.4.[123].

Johno

On Nov 8, 2018, at 18:58, Matt Erculiani <merculiani () gmail com<mailto:merculiani () gmail com>> wrote:

So it looks like GE will be solvent for a few more years and 3.3.3.3 DNS is incoming.

-Matt

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 17:54 Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com<mailto:eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2Fitem%3Fid%3D18407173&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=dMAKpJXW3ns4K5X6KZAROOhTlPTmHKYvweIsjs7Ot90%3D&reserved=0>

Quoting from the post:

"

        Apparently bought in two chunks: 
3.0.0.0/9<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F3.0.0.0%2F9&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=Ge2tXIZCF3fJB9fpwBjG58CUFf%2FPYtAKeosqIIF3JKQ%3D&reserved=0>
 and 
3.128.0.0/9<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F3.128.0.0%2F9&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600111541&sdata=ncpEmnLx%2BWDOIkwMB%2FdR%2FsKmGUJYLLJTvVJL4uUbk%2BI%3D&reserved=0>.

Previous owner was GE.

Anecdotal reports across the Internet that AWS EIPs are now being assigned in that range.

https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-3-0-0-0-1.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhois.arin.net%2Frest%2Fnet%2FNET-3-0-0-0-1.html&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600267787&sdata=PPPGSPw3awgQHufOUEZ837KloMCbBKHbm72WXTIwfuI%3D&reserved=0>

https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-3-128-0-0-1.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhois.arin.net%2Frest%2Fnet%2FNET-3-128-0-0-1.html&data=02%7C01%7Cpaul.dalton%40sprint.com%7Caf9b460440684d62ebfa08d645ed7a98%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636773283600267787&sdata=hadTxFotL%2BctXNNDmthB5EGlapJZHfv1m4js3uwYHN4%3D&reserved=0>


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