Re: 10g residential CPE

["Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail)" <allenmckinleykitchen () gmail com>]

A company doing what you describe is one I’d really love to work for.

May that philosophy of business be richly blessed.

..Allen

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:03, Aaron Wendel <aaron () wholesaleinternet net> wrote:
>
> Darin,
>
> We charge a $300 one time install charge to cover our costs on the 1G service (which can be paid out at $25/mo if you 
> can't afford $300 all at once).
>
> The area we serve is mainly lower and lower-middle-class income with an 80% transient population.  Seven years ago, 
> when "digital divide" and "digital literacy" were the buzz words, we instituted our "free" 1G service in an effort to 
> level the playing field for the population who, otherwise, can't afford internet at all, let alone at that speed.  
> Until recently we didn't charge for residential service at any tier.  Rather than putting in "income tiers", making 
> people fill out applications for assistance, etc. we just made it free for everyone.  We also provide free 100G 
> service to the local school district as well as free service to local government, police, fire stations (Firemen (and 
> women) had to pay for their own internet to use while they were on duty before us), library, churches and other 
> non-profits.
>
> That's the why.  The how is that we control a LOT of fiber in the metro area that is in use by a lot of very large 
> providers that everyone's heard of.  We make enough money doing that so we don't feel the need to charge the 
> residences for a basic level of service.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> > On 12/26/2020 12:48 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > One simple question. Why on earth would you offer free internet service? How and why? Your site show 1 Gig 
> > symmetrical for free when you should be a minimum of $65 per month to be competitive.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 12:31 PM Aaron Wendel <aaron () wholesaleinternet net <mailto:aaron () wholesaleinternet net>> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >    We run MikroTik RB4011s for residential speeds between 1G and 10G
> >    or just supply a media converter.  For residential 40G and 100G we
> >    just drop in Arista or Extreme switches.  SMBs are normally just a
> >    media converter or direct fiber handoff.
> >
> >    https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in
> >    <https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in>
> >
> >    There are not a lot of options for good, off the shelf 10G CPE
> >    equipment.  The handful of 10G residential customers we have seem
> >    to be happy with the tik.  The couple that don’t use it have
> >    rolled their own solution.
> >
> >    Like anything, I’m sure once the major home broadband providers
> >    start to catch up with us smaller guys the vendors will catch up
> >    as well.
> >
> >    https://www.kcfiber.com/residential
> >    <https://www.kcfiber.com/residential>
> >
> >    Aaron
> >
> >
> > >    On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org
> > >    <mailto:mel () beckman org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >    
> > > >    i really don't get what the problem is. it's like they're being
> > > >    deliberately obtuse.
> > >
> > >    Michael,
> > >
> > >    If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously
> > >    they don’t see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build
> > >    their hobby horse see that? It’s like they’re being deliberately
> > >    obtuse :)
> > >
> > >    -mel via cell
> > >
> > > >    On Dec 26, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com
> > > >    <mailto:mike () mtcc com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >    
> > > > >    On 12/26/20 8:00 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >    Anybody got a feel for what percent of the third-party gear
> > > > >    currently sold to
> > > > >    consumers has sane bufferbloat support in 2020, when we've
> > > > >    *known* that
> > > > >    de-bufferbloated gear is a viable differentiatior if marketed
> > > > >    right (consider the
> > > > >    percent of families that have at least one gamer who cares)?
> > > >    I don't know percentages, but just trying to find cpe that
> > > >    support it in their specs is depressingly small. considering
> > > >    that they're all using linux and queuing discipline software is
> > > >    ages old, i really don't get what the problem is. it's like
> > > >    they're being deliberately obtuse. given all of the zoom'ing
> > > >    happening now you think that somebody would hit them with the
> > > >    clue-bat that this is a marketing opportunity.
> > > >
> > > >    Mike
>
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