Re: Redeploying most of 127/8, 0/8, 240/4 and *.0 as unicast

[Zu <mu () zuqq me>]

One anecdote (the non-technical grandma) illustrates a very real problem that would need to be addressed -- there are 
non-technical people (of all ages, if your concerned about ageism) which will need to implement technical changes for 
which they are not equipped with the skills to do.

One anecdote (the technical grandma) holds no value, because the problem being discussed involves non-technical people 
having to upgrade equipment when they do not have the skills to do so. This anecdote serves no purpose, and illustrates 
nothing other than "certain people will be fine with technical changes" which we all already knew.

Obviously, a technically inclined person (of any age) will be better equipped to deal implementing a technical change. 
So, I am having trouble seeing how your "gotcha" counter-anecdote is of any value to the discussion.

Best,

Mu
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On Friday, November 19th, 2021 at 11:05 AM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com> wrote:

> Nick Hilliard wrote:
>
> > Joe Maimon wrote on 19/11/2021 14:30:
> >
> > > Its very viable, since its a local support issue only. Your ISP can
> > >
> > > advise you that they will support you using the lowest number and you
> > >
> > > may then use it if you can....all you may need is a single
> > >
> > > patched/upgraded router or firewall to get your additional static IP
> > >
> > > online.
> >
> > That would be an entertaining support phone call with grandma.
>
> Starting to get annoyed with ageism from tech nerds. Lots of grandma and
>
> grandpa computer geeks in existence these days. I think its time we
>
> start using great-grammy instead.
>
> > So, she gets a new CPE which issues 192.168.1.0 to her laptop and .1
> >
> > to her printer, and then her printer can no longer talk to her laptop.
>
> So she has a datacenter cab with a cat6a multi-gig drop and the ISP
>
> included in the price an on-link public /30, but more is gonna cost her,
>
> and this is for the non-profit she is running out of her SSI.
>
> Now she gets to use her link with two IP addresses instead of one,
>
> although she may have to click update firmware from the device's web
>
> interface, which might be harder than you think since she grew up using
>
> punch cards and these new fangled mouse thingies are a pain in her
>
> arthritic fingers, she'll take a CLI any day.
>
> She might use that for a redundant router, or for the second 443 port
>
> mapping inevitably required.
>
> Two can play the fake anecdote game.
>
> > I'm sure that the ISP would be happy to walk her through doing a
> >
> > firmware upgrade on her printer or that her day would end up better
> >
> > for having learned about DHCP assignment policies on her CPE.
> >
> > They could even email her a copy of the RFC and a link to the IETF
> >
> > working group if she felt there was a problem.
> >
> > Nick
>
> ISP's may very well be inclined to advise customers that a free extra IP
>
> is theirs for the taking should their equipment support it.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe