RE: Ukraine request yikes

[<justin@xor.systems>]

The problem with all of these sorts of things and why respectable entities like ICANN should avoid such things is 
because its inherently subjective and prone to a sort of viewers bias that is moulded more or less by the propaganda of 
the state from which you come (in our case, North America/US et al).

For instance, an actually unpopular opinion is that this all started when a lawfully elected government was overthrown 
by a minority of the population (<1%) and that the majority of Ukrainians were disenfranchised as a result. This was 
particularly acute in the Donbass region that voted for Yanukovych very heavily. This brought about an actual 
rebellion, one that is flatly denied by the government in Kyiv, which in turn brought about the Minsk agreement where 
the breakdown was that the rebels sought to have local elections for their own governors/mayors that could not be 
dismissed by the federal legislature. For whatever reason, the Government in Kyiv found this unpalatable and never 
implemented this part of the agreement until finally the ceasefire broke down and a formal war ensued. The point of 
this paragraph being that discerning which side is representing "democracy" is a matter of perspective.

Because the shoe could easily fit on the other foot and also be legitimately correct and the same argument could be 
made to remove TLDs for UA or supporting countries and because which is correct is almost always a matter of 
perspective-- its best for any such governing entity to avoid allowing itself to be drawn into such ordeals. 

As for their request, given that the country has more or less banned all periodicals in Russian from the news stand 
irrelevant of content, routinely shutdown independent media outlets and because this email simply acknowledging valid 
grievances in south eastern Ukraine could be cause for a 10 year term in prison if written from within Ukraine-- I will 
only say that I find the request by the government there to be "extremely consistent with Ukrainian values".


-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+justin=xor.systems () nanog org> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM
To: George Herbert <george.herbert () gmail com>; Nanog <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes

My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world.  They have made their bed and now 
they have to sleep in it.

On 3/1/22 3:16 AM, George Herbert wrote:
> Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter…
> https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21
>
> https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS
>
> Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, 
> revoke address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia.
>
> Seems… instability creating…
>
> -george
>
> Sent from my iPhone