Re: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

[Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org>]

Abraham,

You may not need permission from the IETF, but you effectively need it from every networking vendor, hardware vendor, 
and OS vendor. If you do not have buy in from key stakeholders, it's dead-on arrival.

Ryan
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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech.org () nanog org> on behalf of Abraham Y. Chen <aychen () avinta com>
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Subject: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block

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Hi, Vasilenko:

1)    ... These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.":

    As classified by Vint Cerf, 240/4 enabled EzIP is an overlay network that may be deployed stealthily (just like the 
events reported by the RIPE-LAB). So, EzIP deployment does not need permission from the IETF.

Regards,


Abe (2024-01-11 21:38 EST)




On 2024-01-11 01:17, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:

> It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement.

This is an assurance that 240/4 would never be permitted for Public Internet. These “multi-national conglo” has enough 
influence on the IETF to not permit it.

Ed/

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com () nanog org] On Behalf Of Abraham Y. Chen
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:35 PM
To: KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui () mektel ca><mailto:amekkaoui () mektel ca>
Cc: nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen () alum MIT edu><mailto:AYChen () alum MIT 
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Subject: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
Importance: High



Hi, Karim:



1)    If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, 
since you are asking to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address for free by disabling the 
program codes in your current facility that has been disabling the use of 240/4 netblock. Please have a look at the 
below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has 
been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement. So, you can do so stealthily 
according to the proposed mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well.



    https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf



2)    Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers 
express their interests.





Regards,





Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST)







On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote:

Hi Nanog Community



Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price?



Thank you



KARIM







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