Re: Genius or Ridiculous?

[Mike Hammett via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

*nods* and I suppose for companies whose coverage I overlap with, but don't serve my main office (such as Mediacom or 
Charter when I'm in Comcast land), I can get the service ordered to a willing Chamber of Commerce or something, and 
then drop an FXO device so that I can "be present".



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn L via NANOG" <nanog () lists nanog org>
To: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog () lists nanog org>
Cc: "Shawn L" <shawnl () up net>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2025 9:57:06 AM
Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous?


It's not necessarily a bad idea.  We see odd voice stuff all the time and having lines that don't use or switch can be 
helpful with troubleshooting.
 
For example, Spectrum loves to release a number (after a port out) but forget to remove it from their switch.  So from 
the customer's point of view, "something's wrong because some people can't call me".  
 
Having one of their lines allows us the ability to troubleshoot it a lot faster and get a ticket opened.
 
Shawn


-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Hammett via NANOG" <nanog () lists nanog org>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2025 10:23am
To: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach () netflight com>
Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog () lists nanog org>, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous?



Well, primarily it's the voice service that needs troubleshooting, which is harder to do in the fashion you describe. I 
just figured Internet service was cheap enough if you were already getting voice.

Although that does give me an idea on the Internet... get a line on each and then put a Mikrotik or Raspberry Pi and a 
RIPE probe on each. Then anything I could likely ever want to test, including making a testing platform available to 
the rest of the world. That isn't a very high number of test points on each of those networks.



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach () netflight com>
To: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog () lists nanog org>
Cc: "Josh Luthman" <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2025 8:20:36 PM
Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous?




Could you leverage the RIPE Atlas probe infrastructure to give you the answers you need? 
There are probes on Comcast (868), Frontier (15), AT&T (46), Verizon (54), T-mobile (29). 


What types of troubleshooting do you generally need to do? 


Matt 




On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 1:53 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG < nanog () lists nanog org > wrote: 


Sure, but then I have to bother other people. That's what I'm doing now, but it kinda sucks asking someone else to help 
you with your job. 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Luthman" < josh () imaginenetworksllc com > 
To: "North American Network Operators Group" < nanog () lists nanog org > 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" < nanog () ics-il net > 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2025 3:25:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous? 


Find a friend with the service instead of subscribing. 


On Sat, Aug 30, 2025, 4:21 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG < nanog () lists nanog org > wrote: 


My current project is a voice-related project, but how ridiculous would it be to get a line of service from my 
competitors at my main office for me to do diagnostics from? Internet from Comcast, Frontier, etc. Voice from Frontier, 
Comcast, AT&T wireless, VZW, and T-Mobile? 

I'm currently in a situation where I have to engage customers (or the family of employees) to place test calls for me 
to collect data on because I can't do it any other way. 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



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