Re: Filtering "Illegal" Video

[Collin Anderson <collin () averysmallbird com>]

This thread wisely points out the technical reasons the request is
difficult, but I think the underlying answer is a bit closer to Brian and
Joel's response, which is that it's country-specific. In a fair amount of
jurisdictions, there's either a centralized list or apparatus to deal with
the requirement, or you're having to hash it out with some court order or
settlement. Where there's still ambiguity or some lingering threat of
state/civil action, the answer is generally to talk to operators in the
same country and at least do what they are doing. The best way of not
creating problems (when you aren't willing to deal with said problems) is
to not be tall grass.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 8:41 PM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> More than one vendor has claimed to be able to do this. I have been under
> the weather the past week, so I haven't been able to have conversations
> with the rest.
>
> However, the one I talked to more or less has a team whose purpose is to
> search out the content as if you were a user, build a signature, and push
> the signature out. Obviously, that won't stop individual Plex, FTP, etc.
> servers, but it sounds like it goes by the 90/10 rule. If you make it hard
> enough, most people will give up.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>
> To: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 2:57:46 PM
> Subject: Filtering "Illegal" Video
>
> I've never paid much attention to the abilities to filter traffic because
> I didn't care what my customers were doing until which time a lawful order
> told me to care.
>
> Someone recently asked me that since there was only one legal way in a
> particular country to consume television service over IP, was there any way
> to block the "illegal" streams. I put "illegal" in quotes because some of
> it really is the pirated crap, but some is likely just watching Netflix,
> Prime, Hulu, etc. over a VPN.
>
> With the tooling I have, no, I can't block that stuff. Well, at least not
> with any precision. I'd certainly miss a bunch and there would be a bunch
> of collateral damage. However, I also know that I'm not using overly
> sophisticated tooling or methods to achieve this.
>
> Are there platforms out there that can accomplish this with any precision?
>
> No, I don't know what constitutes "TV" in that jurisdiction, nor do I ask
> this group to weigh in on that. Are YouTube, Vimeo, and Rumble "TV"? Are
> Netflix and Prime "TV"?
>
>
>
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> Mike Hammett
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>
> Midwest-IX
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