Re: GoDaddy deleting most ancillary registration contact information

[Ron Yokubaitis via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

"Hard cases make good Law."

RonY
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> On Jul 21, 2025, at 4:03 PM, Mel Beckman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Thank you for supplying the factual data I was looking for. I’m happy to now accept “most”.
>
> Let us hope the slippery slope of anonymizing registration data doesn’t creep into ARIN!
>
> -mel
>
> On Jul 21, 2025, at 1:24 PM, David Conrad <drc () virtualized org> wrote:
>
> On Jul 19, 2025, at 5:41 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
> It’s not that I’m “going somewhere” with this comment. I’m just looking for factual data, not wild guesses. I’ll 
> accept “some” for now.
>
> They weren’t "wild guesses”.  As mentioned, my comments regarding registrars redacting for privacy was in relation to 
> my discussions with law enforcement. This would appear to be corroborated by John McCormac’s post that pointed to 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dnib.com_articles_interisle-2Dreport-2Dexamines-2Ddomain-2Dname-2Dcontact-2Ddata-2Davailability&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=HNhAt6Xw9R20rk1Pj0Tj-ITXDLXG90K7EXYZiuBTWTY&e=
>  which seems to confirm “most” (if not “if not all”). The TL;DR quote from that paper:
>
> "Since 2018, registrars also have expanded and promoted free privacy proxy service offerings. Of the 20 largest 
> registrars included in the study, which collectively account for more than 70% of gTLD registrations, a majority 
> offer free proxy services, removing financial barriers to proxy use for the majority of gTLD registrants.”
>
> Since my day job causes me to be somewhat involved in never ending registration data debacle, I did a quick check of 
> the top registrars by market share John listed. It appears:
>
> Godaddy (27.6% market share): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains
> Namecheap (8.04%): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains
> Tucows (includes Enom and Hover, 4.3%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> Squarespace (formerly Google, 3.3%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> GMO Internet (includes 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onamae.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=uoaC7ef9fHZuYnOyn_w5D7ieZzQ-MCyy9ga_QBVpsHc&e=
>  and 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__z.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=MRl6alNNS_i0U5Bq8CXDNH4qCDW0qv4u9c5QR78WyuY&e=,
>  2.37%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> Dynadot (2.21%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> Netsol: (2.16%): NOT on by default, a $9.99 added service
> Gname: (2.12%): NOT on by default, free for all eligible new domains
>
> (I was only able to find one other registrar that doesn’t have privacy on by default, Bluehost, but I didn’t bother 
> figuring out their market share or doing a further, exhaustive survey)
>
> Translating that to operational impact, according to the first line of the 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dnib.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=5ZsrGJY45ZbllizLyKjX1emApZIBr1LeQ-TuDxc_TNY&e=
>  paper, about "Nearly 90% of the internet’s generic top-level domain (gTLD) names do not have identifying contact 
> information in the Registration Data Directory Services (RDDS) system […]”.
>
> Is every good scientist knows, the absence of data is not data, and the plural of anecdote is not data :-)
>
> Ironically, the original aphorism was “the plural of anecdote is data” (see 
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>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
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