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> On Jul 21, 2025 at 5:17 PM, jonathan via NANOG  <nanog () lists nanog org>  wrote:
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> Hey are you related to Jonah?
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> >  On Jul 21, 2025 at 2:41 PM, Ron Yokubaitis via NANOG  <nanog () lists nanog org>  wrote:
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> >  "Hard cases make good Law."
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> >  RonY
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> >   >  On Jul 21, 2025, at 4:03 PM, Mel Beckman via NANOG  <nanog () lists nanog org>  wrote:
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> >   >  David,
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> >   >  Thank you for supplying the factual data I was looking for. I’m happy to now accept “most”.
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> >   >  Let us hope the slippery slope of anonymizing registration data doesn’t creep into ARIN!
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> >   >  -mel
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> >   >  On Jul 21, 2025, at 1:24 PM, David Conrad  <drc () virtualized org>  wrote:
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> >   >  On Jul 19, 2025, at 5:41 PM, Mel Beckman  <mel () beckman org>  wrote:
> >   >  It’s not that I’m “going somewhere” with this comment. I’m just looking for factual data, not wild guesses. 
> > I’ll accept “some” for now.
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> >   >  They weren’t "wild guesses”. As mentioned, my comments regarding registrars redacting for privacy was in 
> > relation to my discussions with law enforcement. This would appear to be corroborated by John McCormac’s post that 
> > pointed to  
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dnib.com_articles_interisle-2Dreport-2Dexamines-2Ddomain-2Dname-2Dcontact-2Ddata-2Davailability&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=HNhAt6Xw9R20rk1Pj0Tj-ITXDLXG90K7EXYZiuBTWTY&e=
> >   which seems to confirm “most” (if not “if not all”). The TL;DR quote from that paper:
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> >   >  "Since 2018, registrars also have expanded and promoted free privacy proxy service offerings. Of the 20 
> > largest registrars included in the study, which collectively account for more than 70% of gTLD registrations, a 
> > majority offer free proxy services, removing financial barriers to proxy use for the majority of gTLD registrants.”
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> >   >  Since my day job causes me to be somewhat involved in never ending registration data debacle, I did a quick 
> > check of the top registrars by market share John listed. It appears:
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> >   >  Godaddy (27.6% market share): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  Namecheap (8.04%): privacy on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  Tucows (includes Enom and Hover, 4.3%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  Squarespace (formerly Google, 3.3%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  GMO Internet (includes  
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__onamae.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=uoaC7ef9fHZuYnOyn_w5D7ieZzQ-MCyy9ga_QBVpsHc&e=
> >   and  
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__z.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=MRl6alNNS_i0U5Bq8CXDNH4qCDW0qv4u9c5QR78WyuY&e=,
> >  2.37%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  Dynadot (2.21%): on by default for all eligible new domains
> >   >  Netsol: (2.16%): NOT on by default, a $9.99 added service
> >   >  Gname: (2.12%): NOT on by default, free for all eligible new domains
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> >   >  (I was only able to find one other registrar that doesn’t have privacy on by default, Bluehost, but I didn’t 
> > bother figuring out their market share or doing a further, exhaustive survey)
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> >   >  Translating that to operational impact, according to the first line of the  
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dnib.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=5ZsrGJY45ZbllizLyKjX1emApZIBr1LeQ-TuDxc_TNY&e=
> >   paper, about "Nearly 90% of the internet’s generic top-level domain (gTLD) names do not have identifying contact 
> > information in the Registration Data Directory Services (RDDS) system […]”.
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> >   >  Is every good scientist knows, the absence of data is not data, and the plural of anecdote is not data :-)
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> >   >  Ironically, the original aphorism was “the plural of anecdote is data” (see  
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__web.archive.org_web_20080523225000_http-3A__listserv.linguistlist.org_cgi-2Dbin_wa-3FA2-3Dind0407a-26L-3Dads-2Dl-26P-3D8874&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=cGrDT0liF-gD_o4EJ7o_qg&m=j0RyxXxwnpCmSqoSZYvbAwrZgb09c8cpYDfGWknN0HfiGA4donrvcrH83MttE3st&s=QkUD_G-cq1lqEdKXDmHSbmGs-glweWBR0jxpODvg1Eg&e=).
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> >   >  Regards,
> >   >  -drc
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