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Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software
From: Michael Jumper <mjumper () apache org>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 16:57:15 -0700
On 9/27/25 1:30 AM, Amit wrote:
Unfortunately, this is simply a faulty premise. You need to consider the security of what you've built separately from the security of your building materials.----------------------------------------------------------------------- How to do secure coding and create secure software ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I can do secure coding and no one can hack my code unless the language/OS have some issues. You can challenge me on this. Ultimately, all software boil down to functions/methods. If functions/methods are secure then the whole software is secure.
Security of software isn't inherited from the isolated security of each of its functions, and it is generally not valid logic to assume that a particular quality of the components of a whole will extend to the entire whole:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_compositionConsider individual CPU instructions as an easy counter example. Every function is made up of such low-level instructions, and these instructions are functions in their own right. The original core premise would imply that no software vulnerabilities can exist except where individual CPU instructions are vulnerable, which is clearly not the case.
When you build something out of lower-level components, focusing purely on the security of those components ignores the *arrangement* of those components. From arrangement ("I'm made up of atoms"), higher levels of behavior emerge ("I'm writing this email"), and you're left with something that has its own security model that must be freshly considered.
- Mike
Current thread:
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software, (continued)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Amit (Sep 29)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Dan Cross (Sep 29)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Dan Cross (Sep 29)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software lists (Sep 28)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Solar Designer (Sep 29)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Jacob Bachmeyer (Sep 29)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Solar Designer (Sep 29)
- Re: Shellshock (was: How to do secure coding and create secure software) David A. Wheeler (Sep 30)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Amit (Sep 30)
- Re: How to do secure coding and create secure software Solar Designer (Sep 30)
