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Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:49:12 -0700
2) It is important to get a signature on a document that acknowledges that the person has not taken any steps to alter systems, data, etc. This cuts to the heart of intent if there is a problem alter on. In response to Susan Bradleys point, this is why signing the document is usually tied to any severence package being offered.
No, it's not. I don't want to sound too harsh here, but this is not good advise... Well, to be more specific, it is not good "legal" advise. Requiring someone to sign a document in order to receive severance benefits could easily constitutes a state of duress (as I already said in my first email.) It doesn't cut to the heart of intent at all, it cuts to the heart of "I signed what they forced me to sign so that I would get my last check so that I could feed my family." Additionally, in some states (note that this perspective is from a US mentality) signing a document exacting performance (regardless of direction) in exchange for benefits could actually be considered an employment contract, thus giving the to-be-terminated employee more rights to employment benefits than originally offered -- even in "at will employment" states according to citations of specific case law I've read regarding the matter.
But of course, you need to check with your lawyer on this point. I don't take technology advise from my lawyer, and I would suggest to readers of this post that they don't take legal advise from technologists either.
3) The document should also address any intellectual property and non-compete issues. Even if the person has not done any tampering they still have a lot of information sitting in their head. This might be useful to a competitor or simply harmful to the company if released into the wild.
That *must* be addressed at employment. NDA's and NC's need to be signed coming into employment, not leaving it. But again, check with your lawyer on that.
This process does not have to be done in a heavy handed way but should be done in a way that makes it clear that the company is paying attention.
Making someone sign something to get their final check *IS* heavy handed, no matter how nice you try to make it. Addressing aspects of system state and security is something you build into the employment policy (not contract, unless you really want a contract) when people get hired, not when they are terminated or willfully leave employment.
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- Handling Sysads resignation/termination Irvin Temp (Aug 02)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Aug 02)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Thor (Hammer of God) (Aug 03)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Aug 03)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Thor (Hammer of God) (Aug 03)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Michael Hammer (Aug 03)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Thor (Hammer of God) (Aug 04)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Michael Hammer (Aug 04)
- RE: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Erin Carroll (Aug 04)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Thor (Hammer of God) (Aug 03)
- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Aug 02)
- RE: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Solomon (Aug 03)
- RE: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Irvin Temp (Aug 04)
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- RE: Handling Sysads resignation/termination Mark Teicher (Aug 04)
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- Re: Handling Sysads resignation/termination spyteknow007 (Aug 04)
