Re: Using viruses in pen-test

[Christoph Puppe <puppe () hisolutions com>]

intel96 wrote:
> Christoph,
>
> What does using the "eicar" signatures really get you?  All anti-virus
> vendors should be able to spot this signature correct?   If the client's
> anti-virus application fails to identify the "eicar" signature using one
> of the compression techniques you cited what is your next step to
> contact the vendor? 

Not all customers have a AV and some have accidentially disabled it. Sure,
this is not often met with success. But then I take pride in beeing
through. I test the email, http and https gateways and with the latter,
some successes are possible.

> Personally I only use custom virus code when the client has authorized a
> social engineering exercise and understands what I will try.  All these
> custom attacks are targeted at certain people within the organization.
>
> Example:  The network team may will only get code that looks like router
> updates or tools to help them manage the network.  This works VERY well. 
>
> All this code can be written to target a single person and will not run
> if Joe Network is not the logon to his system. 

Kind of I do this as well, with the protected trojan, I show the customer,
that AV only helps against known malware. Could extend this to send the
code to some unsuspecting user, but then the customer understands the
problem very well after one of his secured PCs has a port open and nothings
shows in the process list.


> Intel96
>
> Christoph Puppe wrote:
> > Omar Herrera wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi Neo,
> > >
> > > You should really think what needs to be tested. I.e. is it the replication
> > > capability or the infection vectors and defences against unauthorized code?
> > >     
> > Important point. To test the real world capabilities of anti virus posture
> > of a company you should not only use the eicar-string.
> >
> > In all audits of internal networks I test the av as well. For this I use
> > the eicar, compressed versions of it (zippped, g-zipped, b-zipped, tar, rar
> > etc) and a real world, working and full featured backdoor *without* a
> > proliferation engine.
> >
> > Another test is the same backdoor protected with some binary
> > self-encrypting tool. This always succeeds and the customer understands,
> > that av is only good against known threats. New or custom made malware will
> > sneak by her defenses and do evil. In my opinion a very important point.
> >
> > If the customer doesn't believes me, I even start the backdoor, show the
> > open port, connect with the client and let their ppl have some script-kiddy
> > fun with the test pc. Very convincing!
> >
> > I can do that because the backdoor is tested, tried and proven to be free
> > of any self propagating, installing, registry modifying, infecting or
> > deleting capabilities. At least it has never done anything like that :)
> >
> >
> >   

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Puppe
Security Consultant


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