Risks Digest 34.48

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RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest  Friday 8 Nov 2024  Volume 34 : Issue 48

ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks)
Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator

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  Contents: [Sorry for the 3-week gap.  Life caught up with me.  PGN]
Falsehoods from Russia on Election Were Brazen (NTYimes)
1700 letters from the tax office: Daylight exit messed up
 (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Username Over 52 Characters with No Password says Okta (Presale1)
X is the latest social media site letting 3rd parties use your data to train
 AI models (CBC)
Australia plans social media ban for under-16s (BBC)
Man who made 'depraved' child images with AI jailed (BBC)
14-year-old obsessed with AI chatbot commits suicide
Election Officials Are Prepared for a Lot More Than You Might Think
 (NYTimes)
Annoyed Redditors tanking Google Search results illustrates perils of AI
 scrapers (Ars Technica)
FBI says hackers are sending fraudulent police data requests ot
 tech giants to steal people's private information (TechCrunch)
AI in radio: A Polish interviewer fired (Jim Geissman)
When Google's AI agent messes with ya' (Lauren Weinstein)
Nobody wants Copilot Pro AI for Office365, so Microsoft will
 force-bundle it and raise the price?  (Pivot to AI)
Microsoft, Google and Amazon turn to nuclear energy
 to fuel the AI boom (CBC)
Why Tech Employees Are Ready to Revolt: AI
Anthropic Wants Its AI Agent to Control Your Computer (WiReD)
AI decodes oinks and grunts to keep pigs happy (Reuters)
AI frisking (LA Times)
Tribal digital sovereignty in today's dystopia (Douglas Lucas)
SF Muni finally ditching floppies (ArsTechnica)
Law enforcement operation takes down 22,000 malicious IP
 addresses worldwide (Ars Technica)
LA man wearing GPS ankle monitor is accused of a robbery string.
 Officials can't track him (LA Times)
Yet another danger of cryptocurrencies ... (Rob Slade)
The FTC comes after neobank Dave for misleading marketing,
 hidden fees (TechCrunch)
Intel Floundry -> Solyntel (Henry Baker)
Intel 2024 = Sow's Ear (Semafor via Henry Baker)
Abridged info on RISKS (comp.risks)

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:32:57 PST
From: Peter Neumann <neumann () csl sri com>
Subject: Falsehoods from Russia on Election Were Brazen (NYTimes)

The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coming.
  *old movie title from 1966)

The Russians came to Brexit until the 23 June 2016 election in the
United Kingdom (Great Britain is now less great), and quite
extensively influenced the UK-wide referendum with rampant
misinformation.  (Of course, the British government did also.)

Today's issue of *The New York Times* has an article
on the front page of the Buiness section by Steven Lee
Meyers and Julian E. Barnes with the above subject
line and the subtitle:

  The Kremlin did not bother to hide its efforts to influence U.S. voters.

  In the final days before Tuesday's election, Russia abandoned any pretense
  that it was not trying to interfere in the American presidential election.

(Of course, the election was also flooded with domestic disinformation,
blatant lies, and whatever seemed to catch the eye.  In some sense, it was a
prefabricated House, Senate, and Presidential election.  PGN (some perhaps
even thrown together by chatbots?).

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 13:40:19 +0100
From: Debora Weber-Wulff <weberwu () HTW-Berlin de>
Subject: 1700 letters from the tax office: Daylight exit messed up

Another story for the time-change files:

  [Apparently not enough daylight and too much simultaneously. PGN]

A man in the northern German state of Schleswig-Hostein rather rubbed
his eyes as a crate of letters was deposited at his doorstep. It was
around 1700 letters from the tax office! All the ones he opened had the
same contents: his login password for the online tax system, Elster.

The tax office says that the problem was the switch from daylight
savings time back to standard time. The machine was in the process of
printing one letter when the time changed, and it ended up reprinting
and reprinting the same letter during the additional hour. Since
everything is completely automated, the letters were put in envelopes
and postage paid (a sum north of 1000 €) for the letters. The tax office
offered to pick up and dispose of the collection, but the man said he
could dispose of them himself.

Reported as a dpa dispatch in Tagesspiegel:

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/gesellschaft/panorama/kuriose-panne-steuerzahler-erhalt-1700-briefe-vom-finanzamt-12651971.html

One hopes that a new password would be generated in just one copy
for the taxpayer. And perhaps having a human in the loop is not
a bad idea.

Prof. Dr. Debora Weber-Wulff
Lehrbeauftragte, HTW Berlin, FB 4
http://people.f4.htw-berlin.de/~weberwu/

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 13:47:26 +0000
From: Presale1
Subject: Username Over 52 Characters with No Password says Okta

In what has to be one of the most bizarre security advisories of recent
times, authentication provider Okta has confirmed that usernames of 52
characters or more meant that anyone could access the account.

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 22:21:31 -0600
From: Matthew Kruk <mkrukg () gmail com
Subject: X is the latest social media site letting 3rd
 parties use your data to train AI models (CBC)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/x-third-parties-user-data-1.7356152

Elon Musk's X was already using your data to train its own artificial
intelligence. Soon, it'll let other companies do the same.

Starting Nov. 15, the social media site formerly known as Twitter will share
user data -- including posts, likes, bookmarks and reposts -- with
third-party platforms that may use the information to train AI models.

The company updated its privacy policy on Wednesday to detail the changes.
When the policy takes effect, users are automatically opted in until they
opt out.

"Depending on your settings, or if you decide to share your data, we may
share or disclose your information with third parties," the updated policy
reads.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 06:37:16 -0700
From: Matthew Kruk <mkrukg () gmail com>
Subject: Australia plans social media ban for under-16s (BBC)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gzd62g1r3o

Australia's government says it will introduce "world-leading" legislation
to ban children under 16 from social media.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the proposed laws, to be tabled in
parliament next week, were aimed at mitigating the "harm" social media was
inflicting on Australian children.

"This one is for the mums and dads... They, like me, are worried sick about
the safety of our kids online. I want Australian families to know that the
government has your back," he said.

  [There's always Kangaroom for improvement, but
  not this way.

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:59:04 +0200
From: Amos Shapir <amos083 () gmail com>
Subject: Man who made 'depraved' child images with AI jailed (BBC)

A UK man was sentenced to 18 years in prison for various offences involving
images of abuse of children.

However, the headlines are somewhat misleading.  Details of the case
indicate that most of the harsh sentence is the result of crimes against
real children, which are not related to AI; and due to the images which were
generated being based on images of real children.

IANAL, but it seems to me that the legal problems created by AI-generated
content depicting criminal offenses against children -- but where no real
children are involved nor hurt -- are still not resolved in this case.

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:28:39 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
Subject: 14-year-old obsessed with AI chatbot commits suicide
 (NYTimes)

[To hell with this tech.]

I don't see ANY positive aspects to this tech. None. We don't
need a world of children (or adults) building relationships with
AI large language models to the benefit of Big Tech companies that
will disclaim responsibility when people are hurt. To hell with this tech.

Notice the (somewhat indirect) Google tie-in to this. -L

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/technology/characterai-lawsuit-teen-suic
ide.html

  [Steve Bacher noted the follow-on:
  Now his devastated mom is suing the creator
  
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/character-ai-suicide-lawsuit-sewell-setzer-iii-death-b2634706.html
  PGN]

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 18:13:25 -0500
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe () gabegold com>
Subject: Election Officials Are Prepared for a Lot More Than You Might Think
 (The New York Times)

Local election workers share how they would respond to a range of scenarios,
using a 52-card game.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/upshot/election-day-card-scenarios.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:17:14 -0500
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe () gabegold com>
Subject: Annoyed Redditors tanking Google Search results
 illustrates perils of AI scrapers (Ars Technica)

"Spreading misinformation suddenly becomes a noble goal," Redditor says.

A trend on Reddit that sees Londoners giving false restaurant
recommendations in order to keep their favorites clear of tourists and
social media influencers highlights the inherent flaws of Google Search’s
reliance on Reddit and Google's AI Overview.  [...]

As Edwards alluded to, many have complained about Google Search results'
quality declining in recent years, as SEO spam and, more recently, AI slop
float to the top of searches. As a result, people often turn to the Reddit
hack to make Google results more helpful. By adding "site:reddit.com” to
search results, users can hone their search to more easily find answers from
real people. Google seems to understand the value of Reddit and signed an AI
training deal with the company that’s reportedly worth $60 million per year.

But disgruntled foodies in London are reminding us of the inherent dangers
of relying on the scraping of user-generated content to provide what’s
supposed to be factual, helpful information.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/fake-restaurant-tips-on-reddit-a-remin
der-of-google-ai-overviews-inherent-flaws/

  [Speaking of lies and misinformation, quite a few of this week's
  U.S. election results seem to have been heavily influenced by domestic and
  international falsehoods in advertising and speeches.  PGN]

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 19:23:18 +0000
From: Victor Miller <victorsmiller () gmail com>
Subject: FBI says hackers are sending fraudulent police data requests to
 tech giants to steal people's private information (TechCrunch)

https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/08/fbi-says-hackers-are-sending-fraudulent-poli
ce-data-requests-to-tech-giants-to-steal-peoples-private-information/

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 07:41:41 -0800
From: "Jim Geissman" <jgeissman () socal rr com>
Subject: AI in radio: A Polish interviewer fired

A Polish 'Interview' With a Dead Luminary Exposes the Pitfalls of A.I.

A radio station in Poland fired its on-air talent and brought in
AI-generated presenters. An outcry over a purported chat with a Nobel
laureate quickly ended that experiment.

When a state-funded Polish radio station canceled a weekly show featuring
interviews with theater directors and writers, the host of the program went
quietly, resigned to media industry realities of cost-cutting and shifting
tastes away from highbrow culture.

But his resignation turned to fury in late October after his former
employer, Off Radio Krakow, aired what it billed as a "unique interview"
with an icon of Polish culture, Wislawa Szymborska, the winner of the 1996
Nobel Prize for Literature.

The terminated radio host, Lukasz Zaleski, said he would have invited Ms.
Szymborska on his morning show himself, but never did for a simple reason:
She died in 2012.

The station used artificial intelligence to generate the recent interview -
a dramatic and, to many, outrageous example of technology replacing humans,
even dead ones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/world/europe/poland-radio-station-ai.html

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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:00:10 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
Subject: When Google's AI agent messes with ya'

So when the upcoming Google AI agent screws up using your web browser
and goes on a crazy shopping spree or posts crazy stuff publicly, ya'
think Google is gonna take responsibility?

OK, you can stop laughing now. Or at least try.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:23:12 -0500
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe () gabegold com>
Subject: Nobody wants Copilot Pro AI for Office365, so Microsoft will
 force-bundle it and raise the price?  (Pivot to AI)

Copilot Pro is an AI assistant for Microsoft Office 365, introduced in
January. Based on nine months of feedback, Microsoft will generously bundle
Copilot with all Personal and Family subscriptions! [Press release]

Of course, “to reflect the value we’ve added over the past decade and enable
us to deliver new innovations for years to come, we’re increasing the prices
of Microsoft 365 Personal and Family.”

Nobody wanted to pay $20/month for Copilot Pro — twice the basic Office 365
Family plan — so Microsoft is forcing it on everyone and charging them for
it anyway.

This will get you a monthly allotment of “AI credits.” If you want unlimited
credits, you can buy a separate CoPilot Pro subscription.

Microsoft is testing the forced upgrade in Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia,
Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand to see if they can get away with it.

https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/11/07/nobody-wants-copilot-pro-ai-for-office-3
65-so-microsoft-will-force-bundle-it-and-raise-the-price/

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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 19:41:00 -0600
From: Matthew Kruk <mkrukg () gmail com>
Subject: Microsoft, Google and Amazon turn to nuclear energy
 to fuel the AI boom (CBC)

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/generative-ai-and-nuclear-energy-1.7362127

Big tech companies are scrambling to secure nuclear energy deals worth
billions of dollars in order to meet the growing demands of generative
artificial intelligence (AI) -- but critics say they need to rethink that
and slow down.

"Tech companies have gotten away with a lot just because it's a new area,"
Sasha Luccioni, AI researcher and climate lead at New York-based AI
developer HuggingFace, told The Current's guest host Peter Armstrong.

"The approach tends to be, 'move fast and break things,' in start-ups and
Silicon Valley. And so what worries me is that approach transposed to
nuclear energy, because nuclear energy is something that has to involve a
lot of care."

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 09:50:40 -0800
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com>
Subject: Why Tech Employees Are Ready to Revolt: AI (Inc)

https://www.inc.com/joe-procopio/why-tech-employees-are-ready-to-revolt/909
96313

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 01:39:56 -0400
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe () gabegold com>
Subject: Anthropic Wants Its AI Agent to Control Your Computer (WiReD)

Claude is the first major AI model to be able to take control of a computer
to do useful work.

It took a while for people to adjust to the idea of chatbots that seem to
have minds of their own. The next leap into the unknown may involve trusting
artificial intelligence to take over our computers, too.

Anthropic, a high-flying competitor to OpenAI, announced today that it has
taught its AI model Claude to do a range of things on a computer, including
search the web, open applications, and input text using the mouse and
keyboard.

“I think we're going to enter into a new era where a model can use all of
the tools that you use as a person to get tasks done,” says Jared Kaplan,
chief science officer at Anthropic and an associate professor at Johns
Hopkins University.

Kaplan showed WIRED a prerecorded demo in which an “agentic”—or
tool-using—version of Claude had been asked to help plan an outing to see
the sunrise at the Golden Gate Bridge with a friend. In response to the
prompt, Claude opened the Chrome web browser, looked up relevant information
on Google, including the ideal viewing spot and the optimal time to be
there, then used a calendar app to create an event to share with a
friend. (It did not include further instructions, such as what route to take
to get there in the least amount of time.)

In a second demo, Claude was asked to build a simple website to promote
itself. In a surreal moment, the model inputted a text prompt into its own
web interface to generate the necessary code. It then used Visual Studio
Code, a popular code editor developed by Microsoft, to write a simple
website, and opened a text terminal to spin up a simple web server to test
the site. The website offered a decent, 1990s-themed landing page for the AI
model. When the user asked it to fix a problem on the resulting website, the
model returned to the editor, identified the offending snippet of code, and
deleted it.

Mike Krieger, chief product officer at Anthropic, says the company hopes
that so-called AI agents will automate routine office tasks and free people
up to be more productive in other areas. “What would you do if you got rid
of a bunch of hours of copy and pasting or whatever you end up doing?” he
says. “I'd go and play more guitar.”

https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-ai-agent/

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 14:35:49 +0000
From: Henry Baker <hbaker1 () pipeline com>
Subject: AI decodes oinks and grunts to keep pigs happy

Who sez AI isn't useful?  [AIn't it so? PGN]

These folks will be laughing all the way to the piggy bank...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-decodes-oinks-gr~unts-keep-pigs-happy-2024-10-24/

AI decodes oinks and grunts to keep pigs happy

By Jacob Gronholt-Pedersen
October 24, 20241:43 AM PDTUpdated 6 hours ago

VIPPEROD, Denmark, Oct 24 (Reuters) - European scientists have developed an
artificial intelligence (AI) algorithm capable of interpreting pig sounds,
aiming to create a tool that can help farmers improve animal welfare.

The algorithm could potentially alert farmers to negative emotions in pigs,
thereby improving their well-being, according to Elodie Mandel-Briefer, a
behavioural biologist at University of Copenhagen who is co-leading the study.

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 18:23:56 -0700
From: "Jim" <jgeissman () socal rr com>
Subject: AI frisking

Los Angeles will utilize AI-powered scanners at Union Station over the next
month in an effort to stop passengers with hidden weapons from boarding the
rails.

Metro tries out new tech to find hidden weapons on subways

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-23/metro-will-test-new-weap
on-detection-program-through-end-of-year

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 18:38:58 -0800
From: Douglas Lucas <dal () riseup net>
Subject: Tribal digital sovereignty in today's dystopia

Tribes in the U.S. are addressing the digital divide--unequal access to the
Internet -- by creating their own ISPs. My latest article at the Daily Dot
looks at the latest Tribal Broadband Bootcamp facilitating this; at the
home-rule, autonomy framework for Indian Country securing digital
sovereignty; and at what all this -- against the backdrop of longstanding,
ongoing injustices inflicted on Indigenous people -- might mean for the
grass-touching, community-oriented bootcamps and the selfie-driven, AI
spam-clogged dystopia of today's Internet meeting. Bonuses include
philosophical quotes and redundant systems architecture for quick rebooting
across the continent to help regions facing disasters.

Here's the Daily Dot's headline and standfirst and the URL: The digital
divide for Indian Country got better under Biden -- will that progress go
away? 'With Trump, I fear the only answer will be never.'

https://www.dailydot.com/news/digital-divide-indigenous-indian-country/

Risks include: AI "Richard Harris Plains Indian" stereotypes; addictive,
harmful content befalling new audiences; the incoming Trump administration
tyrannizing Indian Country and undercutting tribal sovereignty; the FCC not
answering questions about why it doesn't recognize tribes' reserved rights
for spectrum the way the Supreme Court does; Internet access potentially
doing more harm than good if people don't collaborate to use it safely.

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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 19:26:37 -0700
From: "Jim" <jgeissman () socal rr com>
Subject: SF Muni finally ditching floppies

  [RISKS notes on this topic include RISKS-33.65 and 66.]
  and Steve Bacher on
    San Francisco’s Train System Still Uses Floppy Disks --
    and Will for Years (WiReD, RISKS-34.19).  PGN]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/212-million-contract-will-finally-get-san-francisco-trains-off-floppy-disks/

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA) board has agreed
to spend $212 million to get its Muni Metro light rail off floppy disks.

The Muni Metro's Automatic Train Control System (ATCS) has required 5-inch
floppy disks
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/5-25-inch-floppy-disks-expected-to-help-run-san-francisco-trains-until-2030/>
since 1998, when it was installed at San Francisco's Market Street subway
station. The system uses three floppy disks for loading DOS software that
controls the system's central servers. Michael Roccaforte, an SFMTA
spokesperson, gave further details on how the light rail operates to Ars
Technica in April, saying: =93When a train enters the subway, its onboardco
computer connects to the = train control system to run the train in
automatic mode, where the trains = drive themselves while the operators
supervise. When they exit the subway, = they disconnect from the ATCS and
return to manual operation on the street."  After starting initial planning
in 2018, the SFMTA originally expected = to move to a floppy-disk-free train
control system by 2028. But with = COVID-19 preventing work for 18 months,
the estimated completion date was = delayed.

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:52:35 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty () roscom com>
Subject: Law enforcement operation takes down 22,000 malicious IP
 addresses worldwide (Ars Technica)

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/11/law-enforcement-operation-takes-down-22000-malicious-ip-addresses-worldwide/

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2024 16:05:47 -0700
From: Steve Bacher <sebmb1 () verizon net>
Subject: LA man wearing GPS ankle monitor is accused of a robbery string.
 Officials can't track him

After Nhazel Warren was charged this summer with carrying a gun in public, a
judge released the 19-year-old on the condition that the Los Angeles County
Probation Department track his movements with a GPS device.

When Warren was arrested three weeks later on suspicion of robbing an
elderly couple, a different judge let him out again with another provision
for GPS tracking.

But even with the court doubling down on Warren’s ankle monitor, prosecutors
allege he went on to rob two more people in September and October.

In an attempt to track his whereabouts, Los Angeles Police Department
detectives served a search warrant on the contractor that operates Warren’s
GPS monitor. The company, which officials said is paid around $350,000 a
month by the county to operate the GPS system, could not determine where he
was at the time of the robberies or attest to the reliability of its
tracking data.  [...]

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-11-01/gps-monitoring-probation-robbery

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 07:16:35 -0800
From: Rob Slade <rslade () gmail com>
Subject: Yet another danger of cryptocurrencies ...

The president of cryptocurrency firm WonderFi, was was kidnapped and held
for ransom.  He was found uninjured after paying the $1 million ransom.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/kidnapping-toronto-businessman-cryptocurrency-1.7376679

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:10:13 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty () roscom com>
Subject: The FTC comes after neobank Dave for misleading marketing,
 hidden fees (TechCrunch)

https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/06/the-ftc-comes-after-neobank-dave-for-misleading-marketing-hidden-fees/

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:14:47 +0000
From: Henry Baker <hbaker1 () pipeline com>
Subject: Intel Floundry -> Solyntel

Hasn't anyone at the U.S. Dept. of Commerce ever heard the old saying "you
can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"?

Intel has been brain dead since the beginning of this century; e.g., without
AMD, Intel today would still be selling 32-bit x86 chips.

Perhaps the best thing that ever happened to America's chip industry was
when Intel's board declined to purchase nVidia in 2005:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/technology/intel-ai-chips-mistakes.html

That Intel was paying a hefty dividend -- thus starving itself of innovation
-- during the most dynamic decade in computer history -- is proof positive
that Intel had already become the hide-the-decline "Biden" of the chip
industry:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/intc/dividend-history

The U.S. used to laugh hysterically at the "industrial policies" of less
dynamic economies -- e.g., Japan's "Fifth Generation" initiative -- but
trying to resurrect the lifeless body of Intel sadly proves once again that
lobbying dollars often provide a better return than engineering dollars.

China has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on chip manufacturing
technologies and is still at least 5 years behind TSMC; the current
U.S."industrial policy" chip plans are a bad joke, as they are at least an
order of magnitude too small, both in dollars and in time.

The dynamism of *Silicon* (!) Valley has proven time and again how startups˜˜ß˜
can out-innovate corporate behemoths; look at how SpaceX has made a
laughingstock out of both NASA and Boeing. Perhaps Elon Musk would have been
a better bet to build a domestic TSMC competitor -- he may know nothing
about semiconductors, but he's proven to be remarkably good at finding the
next generation of innovative engineers in a number of different fields
where he also initially knew nothing.

https://fortune.com/2024/10/22/why-breaking-intel-in-two-is-the-only-way-to-sa
ve-americas-most-important-manufacturer-according-to-its-former-board-director
s

  Why breaking Intel in two is the only way to save America&rsquo;s most
  important manufacturer, according to its former board directors
  David B. Yoffie, Reed Hundt, Charlene Barshefsky and James Plummer

  The vultures are circling -- and America could potentially lose one of its
  most important manufacturing assets. After a horrendous earnings report
  last quarter, Qualcomm (https://fortune.com/company/qualcomm/), ARM,
  Apollo [?!?], and probably others have been looking at how to pick the
  flesh off Intel's bones [...]

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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 23:08:06 +0000
From: Henry Baker <hbaker1 () pipeline com>
Subject: Intel 2024 = Sow's Ear

You still can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how many $$$
you stuff into it...

https://www.semafor.com/article/11/01/2024/concerns-grow-in-washington-over-in
tel

Concerns grow in Washington over Intel

Reed Albergotti and Liz Hoffman  Nov 1, 2024, 2:31pm EDT

Policymakers in Washington have grown worried enough about chipmaker Intel
to begin quietly [?!?] discussing scenarios should it need further
assistance, beyond the billions in government funds the company is already
slated to receive, people familiar with the matter said.

  And this is the last straw:

  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-replace-intel-dow-jones-212628611.html
  Nvidia to take Intel's spot on Dow Jones Industrial Average
  [Et tu, Brute?]

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