RE: WebAppSec appends advertisements to mailing list messages?!

["Jason Gregson" <Jason.Gregson () easyi com>]

Hello all,

Although the line reads "WHAT FOLLOWS BELOW THIS LINE IS COMPLETE
AND..." I don't feel that it was directed at Watchfire and/or your
products. I perceived the line as "What's this advert? I have no control
over it's content", and loosing control is a very scary thing. You may
have been sold the ad but did we agree to get the ad. 

Advertising like is this is clearly very rude, if not wrong. The point
is that it was underhand. If we had know all about this when we
subscribed, some of us may have chosen to make our posts elsewhere.

How long will it be until applications are attached and you will see a
message like  - "By reading this message you agree to install
application xyz.exe" or worse "Get you meds here http://sometrash.xom";,
"Increase you girth" etc, etc

We ("some of the 7.5 million unique users" from
http://www.securityfocus.com/advertise) should have least have been
1. Informed before the ads were added
2. Given the option the ability to opt out

At the moment the only ability I have, with regards to the ad's is to
stop the subscription. 

As you have suggested, I have included Security focus in the recipients
of this post. 

Disappointed (but I suppose it was inevitable)

Jason 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ory Segal [mailto:osegal () watchfire com] 
Sent: 10 January 2006 10:38
To: Peter Conrad; webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: WebAppSec appends advertisements to mailing list messages?!

Peter,

If you disagree with SecurityFocus' advertising methods, you should
direct your opinion directly to them.

There's no reason to trash the vendors or to use foul language. The
vendors (and in this case, my company) bought ad space, which was
offered by SF.

-Ory
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Conrad [mailto:conrad () tivano de]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:41
To: webappsec () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: WebAppSec appends advertisements to mailing list messages?!

Hi,

Am Freitag, 6. Januar 2006 20:08 schrieb Amit Klein (AKsecurity):
> I think that it should be made more clear that this trailing piece is 
> an ad that was automatically added. Something like "-----
Advertisement -----".

I'll second that. IMO it is a serious breach of netiquette to modify
postings in such a way without even notifying subscribers of the fact.
(In some jurisdictions such modifications may even be illegal.)

I don't want my name associated with any products that are advertised in
this forum, so please make it absolutely clear that the ad wasn't
included by me.

Bye,
        Peter
-- 
Peter Conrad                        Tel: +49 6102 / 80 99 072
[ t]ivano Software GmbH             Fax: +49 6102 / 80 99 071
Bahnhofstr. 18                      http://www.tivano.de/
63263 Neu-Isenburg

Germany

WHAT FOLLOWS BELOW THIS LINE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT.

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