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Re: Opinion: Complete failure of Oracle security response and utter neglect of their responsibility to their customers
From: "David Litchfield" <davidl () ngssoftware com>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:14:56 +0100

Hi Gadi,

With all due respect to your wishes and intent, a research on different vendors, showing what vendor responds to threats, after how long and how effectively plus how many security issues appear with each would have made sense to me.

Having worked closely with the security teams of most large commercial vendors (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, HP, Adobe, Real) I can quite honestly say that, of all of them, Oracle is the only company to still treat security in this way. Most other organizations "got it" years ago and while there could be improvements made in various areas the most improvement could be made at Oracle.

Showing the Good and thus flushing the Bad without dissing anyone. Pure facts.

Firstly, it's due to the facts that I posted as I did. It is fact that the patch for Alert 68 fails to properly fix a large number of holes it was touted to fix. It is fact that a large number of companies that spent a great deal of money installing the patch have wasted their time. It is fact that Oracle database servers are still vulnerable to security holes that were reported to Oracle years ago.

Attacking one vendor may make sense in some cases.. yes, again, attacking one vendor in public in *this* *fashion* may be long over-due, but it also seems to me to be rather.. in poor taste? Especially coming out of the blue with no past public statements.

Oh, this wasn't out of the blue; and there have been a great number of public statements about Oracle's failings. Not just from myself, I'll add, but others as well.

I sympathize with your concerns and I am known to be FAR from a person who doesn't voice his opinions - and loudly, but it only makes me wonder why now,

Because enough is enough.

why them

Because they seem to be the only ones that don't get it.

and why here.

I tried my local newspaper but they weren't interested. Bugtraq was my second choice ;) Seriously though, where else would you post this? Wasn't this one of the main reasons for bugtraq being created in the first place?

Now, I am not an Oracle advocate - far from it, but your subject line says it all, and makes me look-down on your post automatically, which is a shame: "Complete failure of Oracle security response and utter neglect of their responsibility to their customers"

Complete? Failure? Utter neglect?

Yes. Based upon the facts the Oracle security response has been a failure. How else can you describe it?

If you gave me a patch and said it fixed a security flaw and it turns out it didn't I'd call that a failure. Multiply that by a factor of tens and you've got yourself a complete failure. If I did this to my customers I'd sack myself for neglect. Really, I would.


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