RE: Wireless Security

["Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr." <hfebelingjr () lycos com>]

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G. Allen,

        On A) I have to agree with ya.  I would also have to agree with ya on B).  As
for C) I'd think that it is possibly a
gray area.  I would think that IF a person discovers that they uninvited
guest(s) and s/he is trying to find out who
they are, and where they are I would think that lawyer would argue that the
person who setup the Wi-Fi network was just
investigating those who were illegally accessing his/her system.

        As for d) I'd have to agree with ya again, IF a person is dumb enough these
days NOT to be running some kind of
anti-virus PRG on their system, they are the one who is to blame for any and all
virus' that they get.  As far as e) I
would agree that a person's E-Mails/files are the property of the owner.
However I would have to think that the
packets being sent illegally over another person's WLAN are the property of the
owner of the network.

Herman

- -----Original Message-----
From: G. Allen Johnson [mailto:gallenjohnson () sbcglobal net]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October, 2005 22:15
To: hfebelingjr () lycos com
Subject: RE: Wireless Security


        Assuming the person in question is setting up a wireless AP for his/her own
personal use:
A)      None.  Establishing a wireless network does not automatically add every
wireless device in the area to its network.
The neighbors have to opt in to use it, and they have to have the SSID and pass
key to do so.  Assuming a default SSID
and no pass key present, the neighbors in question still have to choose to join
the unsecured wireless network and have
to take responsibility for what nasty things may happen to their computer for
connecting to someone's personal wireless
network w/out that person's consent.
B)      No.  The person who set up the Wi-Fi isn't responsible, the person who
deleted the files is.
C)      No.  That would be considered hacking into someone else's system and last I
checked, that's against the law.  Just
because someone accesses your wireless network, that doesn't give you the right
to illegally enter another person's
system.
D)      No.  See A).
E)      The privacy I know they can expect is that which is attached to the system;
i.e. the files on the hard drive.  As
far as the privacy of what packets their system is sending out or the privacy of
their e-mails, I'm a little fuzzier on
that.  On one side, it is their e-mail, and it's against the law for some third
party to intercept that e-mail.
However, they are sending it through an unauthorized connection.  So I'm not
real solid on this one Herman.

Hope that helps,

G. Allen Johnson.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr. [mailto:hfebelingjr () lycos com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 12:17 PM
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Wireless Security


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I've got a question (actually a few) along these lines.  Let's say that a person
has a Wi-Fi network setup at home.
And they find out that some of their neighbors have accessed it.

A)      What if any obligation to the neighbors does the person who initially setup
the Wi-Fi network have?
B)      What happens IF one neighbor goes in and reads/deletes msgs/files from
another neighbor's computer is the person who
initially setup the Wi-Fi network for their own use liable?
C)      Can the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network legally go in and look
around his/her neighbors computers?
D)      What if one the neighbors get a virus, is the person who initially setup the
Wi-Fi network liable?
E)      What if any expectations to privacy do the unauthorized users have?

Herman

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Davis [mailto:daryl () ultbingo com]
Sent: Tuesday, 04 October, 2005 12:56
To: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Wireless blocking


I believe I have an unauthorized wireless router on my network.  I have been
unable to physically find it as of yet.

Does anyone know how to find the hidden SSID and then Jam it?

Thank you.

Daryl R Davis
Digital Game Media, Inc.

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