RE: Wireless Security

["Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr." <hfebelingjr () lycos com>]

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Todd,

    On a) I've gotta agree with ya.  As for b) I meant neighbors a) & b)
illegally access Person A's Wi-Fi network, and
neighbor b) goes into neighbor a's computer and reads files/MSGs and/or deletes
same.  Is person A) liable for the
damage that neighbor b) causes to neighbor a's computer?  I would think that
neighbor b) is solely responsible for the
damage that they cause to neighbor a's computer.  I mean let's look at the
"early days" of the cable/DSL modems where
neighbors could see on another's computers on their "LAN."  That doesn't mean
that the company that supplied the high
speed access were responsible for securing ALL of their customers boxes does it?
It was up to each customer to secure
their own box, correct?

    As for C) I would think that as long as they weren't deleting any files,
planting any virus' or Trojan Horse' and
were just investigating those who were attached to his/her network so that they
could find them and lock them out that
that would/should be allowed.  On D) I have to agree with ya, IF one doesn't
have proper anti-virus protection in place
then it is not the fault of the person who setup the Wi-Fi network to protect
the leaches boxes.  On E) I agree that
there is no expectation of privacy for the leaches, and I would think that the
owner of the Wi-Fi network would be the
"owner" of any and all packets sent through their equipment/network.  And that
as with C) they would be justified in
doing so, so as to locate who all is illegally on their network.

Herman
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Todd Kaltenborn [mailto:techno.buddha () gmail com]
  Sent: Thursday, 13 October, 2005 07:10
  To: hfebelingjr () lycos com
  Subject: Re: Wireless Security


  A) None.  They accessed your WiFi network illegally.  You have NO obligation
to what happens to their computer.
  B) This one is tricky.  If I understand you correctly, person A sets up a wifi
net in their home and person B
accesses the network and reads/deletes the files/messages?  IMOP, you're both
liable.  You should have set-up your
network more securely, however, person B should NOT have accessed the network...
  C)No.  Just because they accessed your network, it does NOT mean you can go
into their computer and get "an eye for
an eye".
  D)No.  They should not have accessed your network in the first place.  Now, if
you placed the virus on their
computer, well....
  E)This is up for debate.  Legally, they have the same expectation to privacy
that you have.  However, their argument
would be kinda dumb, considering he accessed your network illegally.

  Just my 2 cents....


  On 10/12/05, Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr. <hfebelingjr () lycos com> wrote:

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    I've got a question (actually a few) along these lines.  Let's say that a
person has a Wi-Fi network setup at home.  And they find out that some of
their neighbors have accessed it.

    A)      What if any obligation to the neighbors does the person who
initially setup the Wi-Fi network have?
    B)      What happens IF one neighbor goes in and reads/deletes msgs/files
from another neighbor's computer is the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi
network for their own use liable?
    C)      Can the person who initially setup the Wi-Fi network legally go in
and look around his/her neighbors computers?
    D)      What if one the neighbors get a virus, is the person who initially
setup the   Wi-Fi network liable?
    E)      What if any expectations to privacy do the unauthorized users have?

    Herman

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    From: Daryl Davis [mailto:daryl () ultbingo com]
    Sent: Tuesday, 04 October, 2005 12:56
    To: security-basics () securityfocus com
    Subject: Wireless blocking


    I believe I have an unauthorized wireless router on my network.  I have been
    unable to physically find it as of yet.

    Does anyone know how to find the hidden SSID and then Jam it?

    Thank you.

    Daryl R Davis
    Digital Game Media, Inc.

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