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Re: Arguing against using public IP space
From: Dave Hart <davehart () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 05:56:07 +0000
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 20:38, Ray Soucy <rps () maine edu> wrote:
I would go as far as to argue that the false sense of security provided by NAT is more dangerous than any current threat that NAT alone would prevent.
Agreed, and I don't think that's going far at all. My opinion is _both_ stateful firewalls and NATs have been responsible for providing cover for those who fail to secure their endpoints. Yes, dropping a choke point in front of X hosts is X times easier than securing the X hosts. No, it didn't secure X hosts. "Outside is dangerous, inside is trusted" is the root of much current evil. Breaking end-to-end and encouraging everything that needs it to jump through ugly hoops such as UDP NAT traversal or carrying all sorts of non-HTTP over 80 and 443 has made it harder to secure networks, not easier. Cheers, Dave Hart
Current thread:
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space, (continued)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Jay Ashworth (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Joe Greco (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Leigh Porter (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Owen DeLong (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Jay Ashworth (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Mark Andrews (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Karl Auer (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Owen DeLong (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Jay Ashworth (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Ray Soucy (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Dave Hart (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Owen DeLong (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space William Herrin (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Mark Andrews (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Jay Ashworth (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Mark Andrews (Nov 15)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Owen DeLong (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space -Hammer- (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Owen DeLong (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space Ray Soucy (Nov 16)
- Re: Arguing against using public IP space -Hammer- (Nov 16)
