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Re: Software Defined Networking
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 16:39:17 -0400
On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 06:59:36PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
Does anybody have a citation that legal disclaimers attached to publicly posted mail aren't null and void?
Disclaimers are invalid on their face because they're an attempt
to unilaterally enforce contractual terms without a meeting of the
minds -- something required for a valid contract. They're "adhesions",
i.e., they're provisions so one-sided that it's immediately obvious
that they've been dictated by one side and not agreed to by both
as the result of some kind of bargaining or negotiation.
The two best references I'm aware of in this regard are:
Stupid E-mail Disclaimers and the Stupid Users that Use Them
http://attrition.org/security/rants/z/disclaimers.html
Quoting in part:
"We can't help it--this really makes us nuts. When will these
people learn? You transmitted your crappy mind-numbing message
to us, in plain text, over the public internet. It's ours (and
whoever is sniffing our mail) to do with as we please and you
can't have it back, so piss off. We won't delete it, we will
publish it, we will forward it, and there is nothing you can do
about it. Go ahead, take us to court, but try to find a shred
of legal precedent first, ok?"
and:
Don't Include Bogus Legalistic Boilerplate.
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#legalistic
Quoting in part:
"First, such boilerplate contains useless adhesions, meaning
the explicit and implied threats they make are particularly
annoying. If you send something via email, the recipients (are
you sure you aren't sending to a mailing list?) and anyone else
who sees your clear text postcard in transit can undetectably and
with full deniability do whatever they want with the information
written on it in plain view. Even casual users of email know
email is not a secure communications medium. Thus the threats in
typical bogus legalistic boilerplate are naught but an attempt
at highly improper intimidation. Demands made in this manner
will be regarded as evidence of a hostile attitude on your
part by a significant portion of recipients. The threats will
negatively affect how your recipients perceive the other ideas
in your message."
---rsk
Current thread:
- Re: Software Defined Networking, (continued)
- Re: Software Defined Networking James Downs (Sep 07)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Nick Hilliard (Sep 07)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Mike Hammett (Sep 07)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Bevan Slattery (Sep 09)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Tom Hill (Sep 09)
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- Re: Software Defined Networking Pawel Rybczyk (Sep 04)
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- Re: Software Defined Networking Larry Sheldon (Sep 04)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Aaron C. de Bruyn (Sep 04)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 04)
- Re: Software Defined Networking alvin nanog (Sep 04)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Rich Kulawiec (Sep 06)
- Re: Software Defined Networking John Levine (Sep 06)
- Message not available
- Re: Software Defined Networking Larry Sheldon (Sep 04)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Tyler Mills (Sep 05)
- Re: Software Defined Networking Jared Mauch (Sep 05)
