Re: Amazon peering revisited

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

"For a company like Amazon..." 


True, but also, they're at a size where staffing and operating peering operations generously has a negligible impact on 
the fiscal situation of the company (or even department). 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kevin Burke" <kburke () burlingtontelecom com> 
To: "Lincoln Dale" <ltd () interlink com au>, "Kelly Littlepage" <kelly () onechronos com> 
Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 3:25:53 PM 
Subject: RE: Amazon peering revisited 



Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon asking turn up a session on a shared IXP 
peering. Once was able to get a peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we moved out of 
that carrier hotel a year or so later. The amazon peering email box does have humans surfing it. 

Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting little response from Amazon about peering requests. 

For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with small scale operators. They already peer with the 
tier 1’s and assume I will do what I need to balance my bits. The fancy algorithms they use to balance traffic around 
does allow them to operate a decent network with fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs. Just a network operator 
here, trying to get my bytes across the wire. 

Enjoy your weekend! 


Kevin Burke 
802-540-0979 
Burlington Telecom 
200 Church St, Burlington, VT 



From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+kburke=burlingtontelecom.com () nanog org> On Behalf Of Lincoln Dale 
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:20 PM 
To: Kelly Littlepage <kelly () onechronos com> 
Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Subject: Re: Amazon peering revisited 

                
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG < nanog () nanog org > wrote: 




Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned 
up. Has anyone had luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or otherwise? The process of 
getting PNI in place with other CSPs was straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and several 
follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this sorted. 





There are many folks that here that are in AWS. Assuming you have followed what is in https://aws.amazon.com/peering/ 
(and https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/ ) then send me details privately about what/when/who and I'll reach out 
internally to the relevant folks.