Re: Not Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock

[bzs () theworld com]

I think I basically understand the policy and allocation processes.

What I was looking for was some characterization of the current trends
for IPv4 requests, particularly how urgent and worthy they might be
and the amount of space being sought.

RIRs will receive those requests. The rest of us don't see them.

There is also the secondary market which is related but perhaps not
the RIRs' concern or place to characterize though I'd imagine they
have some information based on transfer requests.

That might give us some insight based on actual requests, queues, etc.

Put another way, are those trying to get 240/4, 127/16, etc, space
released for allocation actually solving a real problem beyond some
broad hand wave of "more (IPv4 space) is always better"?

On March 15, 2022 at 08:54 nanog () nanog org (Owen DeLong via NANOG) wrote:
> Having spent nearly 15 years on the ARIN Advisory Council, I think I’m able
> to claim some detailed knowledge on the subject.
>
> In general, the RIRs themselves maintain neutrality about such things, looking
> to their
> respective communities for input on what to do. However, so long as the IETF
> and
> has not designated the space Unicast Address Space to be delegated to the
> RIRs for allocation/assignment, IANA will not delegate it to the RIRs and the
> RIRs
> won’t, therefore, delegate it to users.
>
> If you really want to see this happen (and I still argue that the amount of
> effort already wasted
> discussing this idea vastly exceeds what would be needed towards IPv6 to get
> beyond
> caring about it), then the first step must be to convince the IETF to designate
> the
> space IPv4 Unicast and instruct the IANA to begin issuing those /8s to the
> RIRs.
>
> Once that happens, the rest of the allocation process is basically automatic.
> From a policy
> perspective at the RIR level, it will be no different than say 4/8 or 1/8.
>
> Now, convincing vendors to update their firmware, software, etc. is another
> matter
> and entirely outside of the control of the RIRs. Merchant compliance with IETF
> standards
> is generally considered useful, but it is entirely voluntary and even in the
> best of
> circumstances doesn’t every happen instantaneously and almost always involves
> some stumbles along the way.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>     On Mar 15, 2022, at 02:54 , Sylvain Baya <abscoco () gmail com> wrote:
>
>     Dear NANOG-ers,
>     Hope this email finds you in good health!
>     Please see my comments below, inline...
>
>     Le mardi 15 mars 2022, <bzs () theworld com> a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>     Hi Barry,
>     Thanks for your email, brother!
>
>      
>
>         But the RIRs are the ones fielding requests for IPv4 space, and have
>         some notion of how policy implementation might work in practice, so
>         should have a lot of useful input.
>
>
>
>     ...of course, it appears that RIRs have the opportunity
>      to add their useful inputs, as Impact Analysis Report
>      (IAR); during the Policy Development Process (PDP)
>      initiated by the *appropriate* [1] Internet community.
>     They explain it themselves here [2].
>     __
>     [1]: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020>
>     [2]: <https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/q-and-a/>
>
>     Shalom,
>     --sb.
>
>      
>
>         On March 14, 2022 at 00:45 niels=nanog () bakker net (Niels Bakker) wrote:
>          > * bzs () theworld com (bzs () theworld com) [Mon 14 Mar 2022, 00:31 CET]:
>          > >Personally I'd rather hear from the RIRs regarding the value or not
>          > >of making more IPv4 space such as 240/4 available. They're on the
>          > >front lines of this.
>          >
>          > You've got your policy development process diagram upside down. The
>          > community decides what the RIRs implement. They're not in touch with
>          > merchant silicon manufacturers.
>          >
>          >
>          >      -- Niels.
>
>         --
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