Re: COLO space in EU

[Erik van Westen via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

There are major problems with power in The Netherlands, and it is really 
not easy if possible at all to increase the amount of electricity if 
that was not contracted before. Pricing looks quite normal for an 
overloaded grid and datacenter. Every datacenter has 3 phase power 
available, that really is common in The Netherlands. There is a stop for 
companies (and even hospitals and schools) to extend the power 
requirements, the waiting list is long. It is mainly the national grid 
that is at peak capacity and is awaiting extension.

Regards,

Erik (living in The Netherlands but not using a datacenter anymore)

On 11-12-2024 23:50, Riley O via NANOG wrote:
> Yea, 0.15-30EUR is definitely higher than the US average, much higher than what we pay.
>
> Out here, colo spaces tend to charge ~1.5-2x the utility rate in the quote. Mainly to factor in cooling, depending on 
> their PUE.
>
>
> Based on cost of power in the EU, the monthly seems fine, but the install cost seems high. It seems like that facility 
> doesn't have the power available, or doesn't have 3 phase and wants you to foot the cost.
>
>
> I would shop, there's probably a space that has the power and delivery ready and available.
>
> - Riley
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 3:04 PM, Jeremy <liste () freeheberg com> wrote:
>
> > The average energy price in Europe is actually 0.15-0.30€ / Kwh.
> >
> > Please don't forget that this price is very high because USA has
> > destroyed our gaz pipelane NORD-Stream-2 to Russia in 2022.
> > Before that, the price of energy was aroung 0.06-0.09€/Kwh.
> >
> > Thanks USA.
> > Have a good day,
> > Jérémy
> >
> > Le 11/12/2024 à 22:51, Aaron Wendel a écrit :
> >
> > > I don't understand how people stay in business paying $0.15/kWh.
> > > That's crazy.
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message ------
> > >  From "Riley O" m32+nanog () cubit sh
> > > To "Aaron Wendel" aaron () wholesaleinternet net
> > > Cc "Tony Wicks" tony () wicks co nz; "NANOG list" nanog () nanog org
> > > Date 12/11/2024 3:22:27 PM
> > > Subject Re: Re[2]: COLO space in EU
> > >
> > > > Where are you seeing that kind of pricing? The utility cost would
> > > > have to be sub $0.15/kWh to even pay the bill with 20kW, ignoring any
> > > > cooling.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Riley C. O'Connor
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> > > > On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 12:40 PM, Aaron Wendel
> > > > aaron () wholesaleinternet net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total
> > > > > I would say so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > > >  From "Tony Wicks" tony () wicks co nz
> > > > > To "'Aaron Wendel'" aaron () wholesaleinternet net
> > > > > Cc "'harbor235'" harbor235 () gmail com; "'NANOG list'" nanog () nanog org
> > > > > Date 12/11/2024 1:08:37 PM
> > > > > Subject RE: COLO space in EU
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the
> > > > > > business and is pricing it as such
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *From:*NANOG nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz () nanog org *On Behalf
> > > > > > Of *Aaron Wendel
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am
> > > > > > To: harbor235 harbor235 () gmail com; NANOG list nanog () nanog org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: COLO space in EU
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000
> > > > > > euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wish I could get away with charging that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  From "harbor235" harbor235 () gmail com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To "NANOG list" nanog () nanog org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subject COLO space in EU
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to
> > > > > > pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap
> > > > > > off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc .....
> > > > > > 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month,
> > > > > > so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3%
> > > > > > annual indexation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ·Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly
> > > > > > in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike