Re: 2 undersea cables cut

[Frank Pedersen <frank () sundog dk>]

Russian crew on a Chinese vessel.
I mean how can anyone even doubt the intent.

This is such a tragic comedy on many levels.

Frank


On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 5:12 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:

>  I think sabotage implies intent.
>
>
> Even the most incompetent crew of an ocean going vessel knows if their
> anchor has dropped. And if by chance that's happened, they don't drag it
> around for a few hundred miles before they stop and pull it back in again.
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
>
> > I think sabotage implies intent.
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> > *From: *"Daniel Golding" <dgolding () gmail com>
> > *To: *"Mark Tinka" <mark@tinka.africa>
> > *Cc: *nanog () nanog org
> > *Sent: *Thursday, November 21, 2024 9:41:31 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: 2 undersea cables cut
> >
> > I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small number
> > of methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors are right up
> > there. In this particular case, there aren't a lot of other possibilities.
> >
> > There are only two cable repair ships. It will be a while before there
> > can be forensic examination.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:29 AM Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/21/24 14:43, Emile Aben wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 10:43, Hank Nussbacher <hank () efes iucc ac il>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupted-germany-finland-intl/index.html
> > > >
> > > > -Hank
> > >
> > > We looked into how RIPE Atlas saw these cable cuts:
> > > https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/does-the-internet-route-around-damage-baltic-sea-cable-cuts/ .
> > > I hope this audience finds that interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > > The rumours floating around about this being sabotage, with no hard
> > > evidence supporting such claims, is pretty wild.
> > >
> > > Mark.