Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

[Noah <noah () neo co tz>]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2024, 21:18 John Levine, <johnl () iecc com> wrote:

> It appears that Owen DeLong via NANOG <owen () delong com> said:
> > Is there any one of the 5 jurisdictions where RIRs operate that do not
> define the existing RIR in that jurisdiction as a business?
> > I know, for example that ARIN is definitely a business by the applicable
> definition.
>
> ARIN is a Virginia nonstock corporation which has a 501(c)(3) charitable
> registration with the IRS.
>
> It seems to be a theological argument whether you consider that to be a
> business.  Most definitions
> of business include an intention to make a profit, which rules out ARIN.
>
> > I’m less familiar with the legal frameworks and charters of the other
> three, but I’m pretty sure RIPE NCC
> > is a business by the rules there.
>
> RIPE is a non-profit association under Dutch law.  LACNIC is a non-profit
> association under Uruguay law.
> Same theological argument.
>
> APNIC is an Australian Pty Ltd so you can make a somewhat stronger
> argument that it's a business,
> although in practice it seems to operate a lot like ARIN, RIPE, and LACNIC.

We put above....

The small anti-RIR folks, think of RIR as book keepers doing some sort of
commercial exchange of goods (IPv$) which they consider as a commodity to
be traded for direct financial gains.

They both reject the ideals of membership-based cooperation and need-based
resource allocation for public use to deliver digital good&services and
they instead subscribe to straight up profit based transactions without any
digital services provisions.

Therefore its in their best interest to make such claims as RIRs are
straight up businesses.


> At this point I wouldn't try to guess what Afrinic is.

And nor is Afrinic a Business. Its a cooperation of members limited by
guarantee as long as we the guarantors ensure compliance to statutory
liabilities inline with the company Act of Mauritius.

The system basically operate as a not-for-profit. It pays debts ( in
otherwords taxes) as required by the law and that just about it.

Noah