[NANOG] Re: question about peering relationships

[Tom Beecher via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

> Because, as Elmar alluded to, it makes a mess traffic engineering
> wise. Like the one where I ended up having to announce both a covering
> and disaggregates to overcome a provider of a provider localprefing my
> routes on a grand tour of the continental United States when they had
> a peeing route to me five miles down the road.
> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2024-January/224628.html


Ah yes, the 'everyone should do something different because I am
inconvenienced' argument returns.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 3:04 PM William Herrin via NANOG <
nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 10:17 AM Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 8:31 AM William Herrin via NANOG <
> nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 8:10 AM Elmar K. Bins via NANOG
> > > <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > Yes, and it's very often a mess traffic-engineering wise...
> > >
> > > Now, if one of the networks is playing local pref games, which they
> > > shouldn't be doing, then they may misroute packets the long way around
> > > the planet. But that's their fault for playing local pref games.
> >
> > Bill--can you clarify why you feel setting localpref values for peers
> differently from customers
> > is something ISPs "shouldn't be doing?"
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Because, as Elmar alluded to, it makes a mess traffic engineering
> wise. Like the one where I ended up having to announce both a covering
> and disaggregates to overcome a provider of a provider localprefing my
> routes on a grand tour of the continental United States when they had
> a peeing route to me five miles down the road.
> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2024-January/224628.html
>
> > Is it your assertion that as an ISP, as a provider of services to my
> customers, I should leave
> > it up to tie-breaking heuristics further and further down the BGP
> decision tree as to whether
> > I can earn money by carrying traffic or not?
>
> Not all hamburger joints are in the business of selling quality beef. Is
> yours?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
> --
> William Herrin
> bill () herrin us
> https://bill.herrin.us/
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