Re: IPv4 Pricing

[Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Dovid - use dynamic DNS.  It's generally free and there are lot of free
options.  That solves the problem without using a /29.  I do exactly this
myself at home.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:24 AM Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:15 AM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> wrote:
>
> > The monopoly probably exists because it's so expensive to be there.
> > There are a ton of factors.  If it was so easy, why don't you start up your
> > own ISP (with blackjack and hookers)?
> The main ISP's are Optimum and Verizon. Verizon has DSL and never built
> out to my area. Optimum has fiber down the block but can't be bothered to
> bring it to mine (why spend the money of there is no one forcing them). If
> starlink or anyone else had satic IP's I would jump ship.
>
> > Dovid - you didn't even answer the first question, why do you need a
> > /29?  What problem are you trying to solve with a publicly routable block?
> My home IP is white listed in a lot fo equipment. I also connect to
> customers networks and that requires it's own IP (I can't connect from the
> same IP that I use for my day to day work).
>
>
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:13 AM Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not answering for Aaron but I almost have the same issue. Where I am
> > > there is a monopoly. My *ONLY* option is a single ISP with coax. I got a
> > > /29 from them as I needed a few static IP's. I would love if they allowed
> > > BGP and would love it even more if we went back in time 10 years and had
> > > access to fiber.....
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:08 AM Josh Luthman via NANOG <
> > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aaron,
> > > >
> > > > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place.
> > > > Second
> > > > why don't you just get your own ASN?
> > > >
> > > > Are you willing to pay more to support v6?  Or do you think the ISP
> > > > should
> > > > add that service for free?
> > > >
> > > > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet.  I
> > > > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by
> > > > without
> > > > v4.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG <
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wish they were dropping in my area.
> > > > > I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with ~4,000
> > > > fiber
> > > > > customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and they
> > > > said
> > > > > "It's $300/mo".
> > > > > I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like
> > > > configuring
> > > > > them, so he set the price really high".
> > > > > Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer I
> > > > got
> > > > > back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking into it next
> > > > > year".
> > > > >
> > > > > -A
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG <
> > > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly.  They were as high as $65
> > > > last
> > > > > > year.  Now, there are offers for $11.  Average market price now is
> > > > in the
> > > > > > mid-$20's.  All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their
> > > > inventory.
> > > > > Why
> > > > > > not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG <
> > > > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a bunch
> > > > of
> > > > > > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24:
> > > > > > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/
> > > > > > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's down
> > > > to
> > > > > $22:
> > > > > > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These guys stopped updating in June:
> > > > > > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
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> > > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
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