Re: Free pass NANOG

[steve ulrich <sulrich () botwerks org>]

a not (IMHO) unreasonable proposed  corrollary ...

throughout the 21st century, humanity has also demonstrated that the
purportedly maximally-efficient distribution of resources afforded by
late-stage capitalism has rarely been accompanied by truly altruistic
motives; and every capitalist across the spectrum should interrogate the
parameters associated with deals that seem (perhaps superficially) too good
to be true.

steve ulrich (sulrich () botwerks org)


On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 20:51 Lu Heng <h.lu () anytimechinese com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Throughout the 20th century, humanity has consistently demonstrated that
> the central distribution and redistribution of resources are ineffective.
>
> To clarify, the tickets that come with sponsorship are still tickets that
> I have purchased as part of a package deal.
>
> Therefore, I have paid for those tickets and am happy to donate them to
> those in need for free.
>
> It’s hard for me to understand why some people have an issue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 at 10:38, Christopher Hawker <chris () thesysadmin au>
> wrote:
>
> > If, hypothetically speaking, I were a sponsor and I had spare tickets to
> > an event that I didn't pay for or need and my intentions were truly
> > altruistic, I'd return them to the event organiser so that they may
> > distribute them (in line with my wishes of course). I wouldn't post to a
> > public mailing list advertising that I was a sponsor and looking for people
> > to give away tickets to.
> >
> > To be transparent, everyone is entitled to do with their tickets as they
> > wish, and spend their money in whatever way they wish as is their right.
> > This is simply what I would do.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Hawker
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au () nanog org> on behalf
> > of Lu Heng <h.lu () anytimechinese com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2025 10:00 AM
> > *To:* Ilissa Miller <ilissa () imillerpr com>
> > *Cc:* NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* Re: Free pass NANOG
> >
> > Hi Llissa:
> >
> > Thank you for your kind words.
> >
> > As the Diamond sponsor and meeting host for the upcoming meetings, I
> > intend to continue this initiative throughout the year for the next few
> > meetings as well!
> >
> > Please spread the word and let those in need know!
> >
> > There are only two to three passes left, so please act quickly if you
> > know someone might require assistance. :)
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards.
> > Lu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 22:28 Ilissa Miller <ilissa () imillerpr com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your very generous offer for this very important community.
> > I hope there are people on this list that take you up on it - very kind!
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 12:07 AM Lu Heng <h.lu () anytimechinese com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I am a capitalist and philanthropist who doesn’t believe in central
> > distribution. So, no thanks.
> >
> > I will give to the person in need myself.
> >
> > And those passes aren’t “given”, I purchased them.
> >
> > For those need help I still have few left, PM me.
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards.
> > Lu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 07:42 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Well said @Tom and Chris. Sounds like the right way to go about this.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > ----
> > Sent from my mobile
> > kindly excuse typos
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Jan 2025, 4:33 pm Christopher Hawker, <chris () thesysadmin au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Lu,
> >
> > As @Tom <beecher () beecher cc> said, you'd be better off handing them back
> > to your NANOG rep who can then allocate them to people who need it. They
> > would be in the best position to allocate them where they may be needed,
> > i.e. sponsoring someone to attend who otherwise may not have the capacity
> > to purchase a ticket.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Hawker
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au () nanog org> on behalf
> > of Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2025 1:57 AM
> > *To:* Lu Heng <h.lu () anytimechinese com>
> > *Cc:* NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Subject:* Re: Free pass NANOG
> >
> > If NANOG has given you meeting passes that you aren't using, the best
> > thing to do would be to contact the NANOG staff member that gave them to
> > you and let them know you no longer need them.
> >
> > NANOG already has programs in place to assist students and others with
> > meeting attendance.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 2:07 AM Lu Heng <h.lu () anytimechinese com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a few passes for the upcoming NANOG meeting left, in which I would
> > like to share with people who might need assistance to attend meetings(i.e
> > students, academic or non profit), PM me if you are one of those people.
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Kind regards.
> > Lu
> >
> >
> >
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> --
> --
> Kind regards.
> Lu