Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...]

["John R. Levine via NANOG" <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On 06-07-2025 17:05, bzs () theworld com wrote:
>   > The B2B spam I get from throwaway accounts at large mail
>   > providers is probably only 1000 or less at a time since that's all you can
>   > send that way.  I do not think there is one master criminal with a million
>   > throwaway Gmail accounts.
>
> You've moved from spam to ham, no?

It's spam, bulk mail sent to people who didn't ask for it.  Some offer
SEO, some offer financing for my non-existent business, it's all clearly
purchased lists sending mail in bulk to strangers.

> Do you have to show ID to drop a stamped envelope in a postal box?

Wait a minute.  Stamps?  Where did the stamps come from?  Who issues
them? Who decides if they're real?  Perhaps you should reread my white
paper more carefully.

R's,
John

>   > At this point I get a whole lot of mail from Salesforce and Sendgrid.  I
>   > would love to block them but unfortunately they also send a lot of mail my
>   > users want, so I have to do hacks that try to recognize the customer and
>   > let through the less bad ones.  It is painfully clear that they have made
>   > business decisions not to spend enough money on abuse management to clean
>   > this up.  The mail gets through, why should they?
>
> Again this is what is generally called "ham" unless you want
> to apply it to anything you're not personally interested in.

No, bulk mail sent to strangers.  It's the normal definition of spam. I'm 
not talking about companies that send you ads after you order something, 
this is spam sent by people I've never heard of and never contacted.

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