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Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking
From: Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 17:35:21 -0500
On Mon, Aug 3, 2026 at 1:41 PM Emily Shepherd <emily () redcoat dev> wrote:
On Mon Aug 3, 2026 at 5:33 PM BST, David A. Wheeler wrote:Please allow me to point you to the actual announcement & project page, which explains what is *actually* going on instead. The Akrites announcement here: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-and-industry-leaders-launch-akrites-to-defend-critical-open-source-software-against-ai-enabled-cyber-threats instead says, "Bug fixes flow back into each project’s original home, on maintainers’ terms. Where a critical package HAS NO ACTIVE MAINTAINER [emphasis mine], Akrites will serve as maintainer of last resort so fixes to the latest version reach everyone in a timely fashion." Note that the "last resort" ONLY applies when there is NO active maintainer.Whether a project is actively maintained or not does not change its licence and retained copyright rights. The point referenced by the pkgconfig example clearly points out that a licence may allow forks and subordinate works to be created (as pkgconfig does) but may well not grant others to use the project name or pass of subordinate forks *as the project*. In the pkgconfig example, their licence would quite explicitly not allow that. I fail to see how an organisation unilaterally declaring themselves a maintainer of last resort, regardless of what the project licence says, is going to work out well. The intentions may be noble, but copyright doesn't care about intention, it cares about what the licence says.
IMO this is splitting hairs. Look at the cJSON thread on this mailing list; we have an unmaintained project with a ton of vulnerabilities found by AI, and every library user is vulnerable and will be vulnerable. Isn't this the very situation Akrites is trying to make slightly less horrible? Maybe cJSON has a license that requires renaming if one is to fork it (I don't think it does, but let's assume it does for the sake of argument, and let's also assume that Akrites decides to provide fixes for it, not that they will but again assume they will for the sake of argument). Maybe then Akrites has to rename the project to fork it. No big deal, the Linux Foundation knows how to do a fork-and-rename, look at Valkey, forked from Redis when Redis decided to change their license. The important part is that a project that would otherwise have been permanently vulnerable isn't anymore. I think that's generally a good thing. If an upstream doesn't like Akrites using the existing project name, they can always complain and say "please rename if you're going to fork". -- Aaron
In this age of AI, the industry as a whole appears to be suffering a severe case of collective amnesia over the fact that the people who make a creative work get to decide how that creative work is used or amended. Emily
Current thread:
- Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Alan Coopersmith (Jul 30)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Peter Gutmann (Jul 30)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Aaron Rainbolt (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking David A. Wheeler (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Sebastian Pipping (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Eli Schwartz (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Yves-Alexis Perez (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking David A. Wheeler (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Emily Shepherd (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Aaron Rainbolt (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Sebastian Pipping (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Greg KH (Aug 03)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Albert Veli (Aug 04)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Alan Coopersmith (Aug 04)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Francis Perron (Aug 04)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Jan Schaumann (Aug 06)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Peter Gutmann (Jul 30)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Collin Funk (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Jeremy Stanley (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Russ Allbery (Jul 31)
- Re: Some Changes to GNOME Security Tracking Jeremy Stanley (Jul 31)
