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Re: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.)
From: "Robert A. Seace" <ras () slartibartfast magrathea com>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:32:28 -0400 (EDT)
In the profound words of David Schwartz:
Malicious code and exploit code, on the other hand, is more like a
cigarette that kills you instantly or a gun that blows up when you squeeze
the trigger. They're interesting to talk about and look at, but there is no
moral application for them.
Bullshit! There are PLENTY of "moral applications" for exploit
code... Just to name a few: testing your own servers to see if they
are vulnerable; testing your servers after patching to verify the
patch actually worked as advertized; using the exploit in an authorized
penetration test type of scenario; demonstrating to clueless higher
management at your place of employment the need for applying that
patch that they are so reluctant to do; studying the code for educational
purposes, to learn how it works, possibly for the purpose of developing
something to guard against it; etc... There are many, many legitimate,
"moral" uses for exploit code... Code is just like any other tool:
it can be used for either good or bad purposes... It's not inherent
in its design which you use it for... There is no "good" or "bad"
code; only code... Plenty of so-called "good" programs have been
used for very bad purposes... And, plenty of so-called "bad" programs
have been used for very good purposes...
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|| Rob Seace || URL || ras () magrathea com ||
|| AKA: Agrajag || http://www.magrathea.com/~ras/ || rob () wordstock com ||
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"Trouble with a long journey like this is that you end up just talking to
yourself a lot, which gets terribly boring because half the time you
know what you're going to say next." - TRATEOTU
Current thread:
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.), (continued)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) S (Sep 06)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Markus Kern (Sep 07)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) H D Moore (Sep 07)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Markus Kern (Sep 07)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Stanley G. Bubrouski (Sep 07)
- coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Meritt James (Sep 06)
- Re: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) sa7ori (Sep 06)
- Re: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Meritt James (Sep 07)
- RE: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) David Schwartz (Sep 07)
- Re: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Robert A. Seace (Sep 07)
- RE: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) David Schwartz (Sep 07)
- Re: coding (was: Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Robert A. Seace (Sep 07)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Markus Kern (Sep 06)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Ron DuFresne (Sep 06)
- Re: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.) Markus Kern (Sep 06)
