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RE: CodeGreen beta release (idq-patcher/antiCodeRed/etc.)


From: "Stanley G. Bubrouski" <stan () ccs neu edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 17:21:09 -0400 (EDT)



On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, David Schwartz wrote:


I can't believe anyone honestly considers a "counter-attack" worm the same
as self-defense. Deadly force, or otherwise normally illegal amounts of
force, is justified only in defense of your life, or the lives of others,
your physical well-being, or the physical well-being of others. Defense is
something done to prevent something from happening, retaliation
is something
done in response to a previous act. Furthermore, from what I gather, it's
not even retaliatory, it's pre-emptive, being a automated worm like CR. In
any case, it is illegal, and rather morally and ethically
suspect. Releasing
yet another worm that attempts unauthorized access to someone's
machine, and
then runs code on it is illegal.

      Say someone has left a loaded gun on their lawn, where anyone could pick it
up and shoot it at anything they chose. Is it morally justified to trespass
onto their property to remove and unload the gun? Do you have to wait until
you see a child nearby? Until a child picks up the gun?

This isn't about guns and it's not about children.  If someone uses a
compromised system and does something destructive, it's in the hands of
the infected user or his or her company to deal with it.  It's not up to
you or anyone else to decide what's best for other people's property.



      DS


Regards,

Stan

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Stan Bubrouski                                       stan () ccs neu edu
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