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Re: mouse trap + fight back!
From: bacano () esoterica pt (bacano)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:21:56 +0100
Archive: http://msgs.securepoint.com/ids FAQ: http://www.ticm.com/kb/faq/idsfaq.html IDS: http://www-rnks.informatik.tu-cottbus.de/~sobirey/ids.html UNSUBSCRIBE: email "unsubscribe ids" to majordomo () uow edu au Hi2all In previous replies to this issue, was well rased the legal issue, and not just ethics, because legal doesnt mean ethical, and ethical doesnt mean legal. IMHO, first of all, before fight back, think that you can be begining a war you are not prepared too, and probably you will only grow your problem. (adviced lecture: Sun Tzu, any web search engine can find a copy) Second, fighting back can be illegal, so better know something about your country laws on cybercrime, before watching the sun in cubes ... http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/projets/cybercrime.htm is a good start for thinking about this also. G8 are now discusting how big can be the arm of the cyberlaw. US want a nice and big cyber Robocop elite force with worldwide jurisdiction ... this was the 1st proposal of the meeting, that was rejected by EU because it dont even have legal basis, since a worldwide cyberspace is something that dont have a juridical support. Before must came the laws, so the world, and in particular the G8, must think better about them first of all (as will be the conclusion of this meating). Something here must be also cleared, US laws are just laws in US, not in the world, witch means that someone in a country that dont have cyberlaws, can fight back without being legally accused of anything. The US Department of Defense, is *just* the *US* Department of Defence! Funny things had allready happend in this area, when US forget that is also life out there, not just in other planets, but in other countries on Earth too. Was like the old version of the availablety of the 128-bit upgrade of IE. "You must promise and cross your heart that you will not export 128 bit crypto technology" ... yeah sure, and what if i'm just importing it and my country laws allow me that? "We will check your IP to see is it is US or CA" they said, what they never said was how was possible that in some conditions, that upgrade was indeed available worldwide. Like other funny things ... why PGPi became legal, or why EFF had published books as "Cracking DES". Think this way, its known that laws can be cracked as well as software, cyberlaws is a legal issue much more dificult because it mix both areas vulnerabilities, and there is allways a risk that somebody can legally dump them. There are nerds for all flavours ... and of course, there are lawyers. Seems that "they" know how to handle supposed criminals that only know how to push the mouse, or others that are from the very top but like somehow that people know who did that stuff ... and sooner or later the signature will be too big to hide. And that is all? As an answer, i will give another question, that is not even my own, but from somebody like Mr Richard Power (CSI): "And what about professional hackers?" [ ]'s Bacano .
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- Re: mouse trap + fight back! JohnNicholson () aol com (May 16)
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- RE: mouse trap + fight back! Meritt, Jim (May 17)
- Re: mouse trap + fight back! bacano (May 18)
- Re: RE: mouse trap + fight back! JohnNicholson () aol com (May 17)