Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

[Jason Bothe via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Yes, yes, yes and yes


J~

> On Dec 5, 2024, at 12:10 PM, Compton, Rich <RICH_COMPTON () comcast com> wrote:
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> “I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds 
> on which the BGP optimizer sales people walked.”
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> -Job Snijders
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> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092131.html
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> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rich_compton=comcast.com () nanog org> on behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> Date: Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 12:24 PM
> To: Jason Bothe <jbothe () me com>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: Route optimization using GPUs?
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> IIRC, the widespread outages are the result of exporting things that shouldn't be exported.
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> From: "Jason Bothe via NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> To: "Drew Weaver" <drew.weaver () thenap com>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 11:03:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Route optimization using GPUs?
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> WIth merchant silicon getting faster and stronger everyday, and capacity and transit in a freewill, I’m not sure what 
> GPU optimization would buy you, not to mention the ROI. The Internet routing table is not showing substantial signs 
> of growth and in some cases has experienced a plateau. Also, the experience with ‘route optimization tools’ is that 
> while they may bring you some priority in your traffic, they are also known for making horrible decisions resulting 
> in widespread outages. 
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> J~
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> On Dec 5, 2024, at 8:13 AM, Drew Weaver <drew.weaver () thenap com> wrote:
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> So back in the.. hell I don’t know like… early 2010s there was a push for ‘route optimization’ from products like 
> RouteScience and the Avaya CNA and more recently whatever Noction is doing.
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> The big pain point for this technology at the time was that it could only optimize the top N egress routes due to how 
> many probes it could send out and how many results it could process.
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> It seems like now with a modest GPU in a router you could pretty easily ‘optimize’ [to the extent that you believe 
> this technology worked] pretty much the whole routing table.
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> We used these tools extensively back then and they actually worked pretty well in most cases. The biggest issue we 
> ran into was people complaining that we pinged their IP addresses… which now a days seems like a great worst problem 
> to have.
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> Anyway is anyone doing any work on implementing GPUs into the BGP decision making process? Seems like a no brainer.
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> -Drew
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