Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

[John Sweeting <jsweeting () arin net>]

Everyone,

"It is great to see so much interest and discussion about the ICP-2 review.  Please be aware that the ASO AC will only 
be processing the feedback received through the questionnaire - 
https://ripe-ncc.typeform.com/icp-2?typeform-source=www.arin.net. Be sure  to share your feedback through the 
questionnaire for formal consideration."

Just providing for your information in case you wish to have your feedback captured and considered by the ASO AC.

Thanks,
John S.

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jsweeting=arin.net () nanog org> on behalf of Noah <noah () neo co tz>
Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 at 3:37 PM
To: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, 22:44 Owen DeLong, <owen () delong com<mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote:



On Nov 18, 2024, at 13:11, Noah <noah () neo co tz<mailto:noah () neo co tz>> wrote:


On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, 22:33 heasley, <heas () shrubbery net<mailto:heas () shrubbery net>> wrote:
Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:48:04PM -0800, William Herrin:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:39 PM Noah <noah () neo co tz<mailto:noah () neo co tz>> wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, 22:06 David Conrad via NANOG, <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> wrote:
> > > > 2. I'm not convinced that the service regions should be limited by the ICP to non-overlapping geographic 
> > > > territories.
> > >
> > > While geographic monopolies may have made sense in the past, it is unclear to me how/why they make sense today 
> > > (unless the point is to create/perpetuate a cartel).
> >
> > I am curious as to what you mean by create/perpetuate a cartel?
>
> A group of geographical monopolies who between them have total control
> over what the essential service costs and whether anybody else can
> perform it. It might as well be the definition of a cartel.

And, to the extent that the service provider must excel.

Competition is healthy for all enterprise.

The registries are more than just an enterprise boss.


They really aren’t. Contrary to the theories you keep pushing, they are businesses. They are not state agencies or 
quasi state agencies. They are not granted enforcement powers or any extraordinary legislative or judicial powers. They 
are run of the mill not-for-profit businesses.

Your theory here is nonsense. Can you perhaps think before you respond on some issues.

A business has private or public shareholders or stockholders who once all taxes have been deducted on the legal 
entity's annual revenue or bottomline .. the stockholders then enjoys dividends through board resolutions.

Can you share any such proof or fillings that any of the RIR have shareholders and those shareholders distribute 
dividends or payouts annually to the RIR stockholders?

Noah