Re: Where else do you hangout?

[Mike Simpson via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

The idea that we would expect Network Operators to be able to deal with the intricacies of running an irc client with 
commands and everything. 
/sarcasm

Most windows folk seemed to be able cope with mIRC or whatever the kids are using these days. Even the ones that 
weren’t into internetworking. 

> On 21 Aug 2025, at 03:28, Krassimir Tzvetanov via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I am a bit confused. I was using IRC when I was 16 (we didn't have Internet
> before that) and never found it to be difficult, even when I was a SYSOP.
> Maybe something has changed over the past 20 years.
>
> As to heavyweight, I think this is self-evident - if you need to install
> Java - it is... note I never mentioned Teams...
>
> As to the security issues, I would think one knows better than to ask this
> on a mailing list of this size and publicity, so I'll let you think about
> that one...
>
> ...and maybe this is the issue we have in the community, the days of the
> hard core network operators have passed, and we do now have point and click
> generation trying to figure out the Internetz... jokes aside, let's think
> how competitive we are on the world arena?
>
> Cheers,
> Krassi
>
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 7:07 PM Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org> wrote:
> >
> > Krassi,
> >
> > > There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC.
> >
> > IRC is anything but simple, with so many clients with varying features,
> > having to know many commands. It makes instructing someone on how to set it
> > up and use it more difficult.
> >
> > > Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the
> > question, what happened to those people that were security conscious?
> >
> > Heavyweight is subjective, especially when compared to Teams. How they are
> > insecure?
> >
> > > Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG
> >
> > I would argue that if the existing #nanog channels out there are
> > effectively dead, and #ix (could be) slowly winding itself down. A NANOG
> > IRC server would not get anywhere near the use, compared to the NANOG
> > Discord server (https://discord.nanog.org). A *very strong *proposal
> > would need to be made from the Moderation Committee to the Board to make
> > such a thing happen, however with the committee focused on Discord and
> > mailing list, it would likely not happen due to the friction involved in
> > set up and maintenance, for little to no usage in return.
> >
> > > Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan
> > TBH)...
> >
> > The NANOG Discord has been around for a few years, and we'd all be happy
> > if you joined. https://discord.nanog.org
> >
> > Ryan Hamel
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Krassimir Tzvetanov via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 20, 2025 6:37 PM
> > *To:* North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > *Cc:* Krassimir Tzvetanov <maillists () krassi biz>
> > *Subject:* Re: Where else do you hangout?
> >
> > Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care
> > when clicking links or opening attachments.
> >
> >
> > There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. TBH, I don't care if the
> > smiling face emoji is animated or just two ASCII characters. Most of the
> > clients - Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also
> > begs the question, what happened to those people that were security
> > conscious? I am not ranting here but I am pointing out the simple fact that
> > people are spending too much time on distractions and not on the actual
> > function and goal they are trying to achieve. Every 2-3 years, there is a
> > new social media hotness that sweeps the crowds and then we end up even
> > more fragmented.
> >
> > Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG, or simply setting up a
> > chat group on Signal? That's at least to solve the NANOG crowd problem...
> > Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan
> > TBH)...
> >
> > We should have a meet up in person during the next NANOG! No cell phones
> > allowed during the meet up! ;)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Krassi
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:53 PM Andrew Latham via NANOG <
> > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > I will make note that two things cause me caution when socializing.
> > >
> > > 1. NDAs (so many!!!!)
> > > 2. Spear Phishing
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:49 PM Mark Prosser <mark () zealnetworks ca>
> > wrote:
> > > > On 2025-08-20 20:45, Andrew Latham wrote:
> > > > > "Get off my lawn!" :P
> > > > >
> > > > > * Direct chat with peers
> > > > > * Mailing Lists
> > > > >
> > > > > I avoid walled gardens like discord. I do miss Google+ where I could
> > > > > make my posts globally visible without any ads. Used to run "The
> > > > > Backbone Of The Internet" group there.
> > > >
> > > > :P
> > > >
> > > > You're definitely not wrong to avoid the walled gardens.
> > > >
> > > > I gave Google+ a try a long time ago but I never really explored the
> > > > groups.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I forgot to mention I'm on Mastodon & Bluesky. I prefer the
> > > > former, but there isn't much NetEng talk going on there.
> > > >
> > > > Warm regards,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mark Prosser
> > > > // E: mark () zealnetworks ca
> > > > // W:
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