RE: Where else do you hangout?

[Gary Sparkes via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

A discord-irc bridge might be somewhat useful, for those of us for example have over 70 active IRC channels they're in 
related to various topics and projects. Life's already crowded enough with three monitors.

Or maybe I just need more! 

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From: Ryan Hamel via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2025 10:07 PM
To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
Cc: Krassimir Tzvetanov <maillists () krassi biz>; Ryan Hamel <ryan () rkhtech org>
Subject: Re: Where else do you hangout?

Krassi,

> There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC.

IRC is anything but simple, with so many clients with varying features, having to know many commands. It makes 
instructing someone on how to set it up and use it more difficult.

> Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the question, what happened to those people that 
> were security conscious?

Heavyweight is subjective, especially when compared to Teams. How they are insecure?

> Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG

I would argue that if the existing #nanog channels out there are effectively dead, and #ix (could be) slowly winding 
itself down. A NANOG IRC server would not get anywhere near the use, compared to the NANOG Discord server 
(https://discord.nanog.org/<https://discord.nanog.org/>). A very strong proposal would need to be made from the 
Moderation Committee to the Board to make such a thing happen, however with the committee focused on Discord and 
mailing list, it would likely not happen due to the friction involved in set up and maintenance, for little to no usage 
in return.

> Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...

The NANOG Discord has been around for a few years, and we'd all be happy if you joined. 
https://discord.nanog.org/<https://discord.nanog.org/>

Ryan Hamel

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There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. TBH, I don't care if the smiling face emoji is animated or just two ASCII 
characters. Most of the clients - Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the question, 
what happened to those people that were security conscious? I am not ranting here but I am pointing out the simple fact 
that people are spending too much time on distractions and not on the actual function and goal they are trying to 
achieve. Every 2-3 years, there is a new social media hotness that sweeps the crowds and then we end up even more 
fragmented.

Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG, or simply setting up a chat group on Signal? That's at least to 
solve the NANOG crowd problem...
Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...

We should have a meet up in person during the next NANOG! No cell phones allowed during the meet up! ;)

Cheers,
Krassi


On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:53 PM Andrew Latham via NANOG < nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:

> I will make note that two things cause me caution when socializing.
>
> 1. NDAs (so many!!!!)
> 2. Spear Phishing
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:49 PM Mark Prosser <mark () zealnetworks ca> wrote:
> > On 2025-08-20 20:45, Andrew Latham wrote:
> > > "Get off my lawn!" :P
> > >
> > > * Direct chat with peers
> > > * Mailing Lists
> > >
> > > I avoid walled gardens like discord. I do miss Google+ where I 
> > > could make my posts globally visible without any ads. Used to run 
> > > "The Backbone Of The Internet" group there.
> >
> > :P
> >
> > You're definitely not wrong to avoid the walled gardens.
> >
> > I gave Google+ a try a long time ago but I never really explored the 
> > groups.
> >
> > I guess I forgot to mention I'm on Mastodon & Bluesky. I prefer the 
> > former, but there isn't much NetEng talk going on there.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > --
> > Mark Prosser
> > // E: mark () zealnetworks ca
> > // W: https://zealnetworks.ca/<https://zealnetworks.ca/>
>
>
>
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