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Re: IPv6 native percentage (end user perspective)


From: Aaron1 via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 19:46:27 -0500

We are getting closer to dual stacking our subs.  In the meantime, adding mams interfaces from a new ms-mpc-128g card, 
into the existing ams0 interface, thus doubling the cgnat capacity, was as easy as adding a Ethernet link to and ae 
bundle interface.

Aaron

On Jun 19, 2025, at 5:43 PM, Niels Bakker via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:

I'll bite:

* Forrest Christian [Fri 20 Jun 2025, 00:06 CEST]:
I don't want to restart the recurring argument, but I'll just put this out there: Why bother adding the cost of 
supporting a dual-stack network when there is precisely zero cost for me to stick with IPv4? From a cost 
perspective, if I have to assign everyone an IPv4 address and an IPv6 address to deploy IPv6, why would I bother 
assigning the IPv6 address?

What if everybody thought that way? Would we ever get to a position where we could even consider turning off IPv4 
altogether?

(We must consider eventually turning off IPv4. We've run out twice now, the first time we innovated our way out with 
CIDR, the second time there's no other option on the table but IPv6. The lack of IPv4 is currently a global drag on 
non-financial innovation.)


I have plenty of addresses to continue handing out IPv4 addresses directly to customers for at least several years, 
so there is no benefit to me in adding the overhead of dealing with both IPv6 and IPv4 on a per-customer basis 
simultaneously.

For now. While your competitors are gaining valuable experience with IPv6. And put some customers behind CGNAT, 
freeing up IPv4 addresses they can monetise in different ways, like sell or rent out as subnets.

Have fun scaling your CGNAT boxes to all the traffic from the customer base you'll eventually have to put behind 
them. If you had run dual stack then a lot of traffic wouldn't need to traverse them.


   -- Niels.
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