Re: Amazon AWS cloudfront WAF block

["Eric C. Miller via NANOG" <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Bill, that's the typical definition that I've used and it's what I'm referring to in this type of relationship. 
Reiterated, "This threat list service is labeling my customer as a threat, and that is interfering with my ability to 
enable them to reach the entire internet." Lots of details are not said, it is a high standard to meet, but it is a 
term that "their guys" understand, which is usually enough to get that constructive conversation. I also reiterate my 
previous point that if the constructive conversation were easier to start, we'd have a internet with better neighbors. 
These threat lists do not even send abuse emails to us on our ARIN listed contacts - only the DMCA guys do that.

Eric
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From: William Herrin via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 4:03 PM
To: Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>; William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Subject: Re: Amazon AWS cloudfront WAF block

On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:39 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
> Without attempting to actually clarify what tortious interference actually is, let's just make it clear that Bill's 
> attempted explanation isn't it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

"As an example, someone [...] could obstruct someone's ability to
honor a contract with a client by deliberately refusing to deliver
necessary goods."

I hate using wikipedia to "prove" a point, but if you want to
understand something in plain language it's a pretty good place to
start reading.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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