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Re: Encryption is now illegal? (Re: U.S. Secret Service shuts down NYC cellular disruption network)
From: Jay Acuna via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 12:25:51 -0500
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 11:50 AM Kurtis Heimerl via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
Afaik yes, as it circumvents a bunch of telecommunication fees, taxes, and stuff, but I am not a telco lawyer. It's also obviously against the terms of service, though that's not illegal.
Breaking Terms of Service you agreed to is Illegal. That is called a breach of contract, which is an illegal action or inaction. It is a civil matter that becomes a crime if you planned to never follow the agreement in the first place (And other conditions exist, such as possibly a certain dollar amount threshold). It is extremely likely all those conditions are met if they have got 1000 SIM cards to go into business, and activated on any type of Telecom service that has terms of service inconsistent with what they're doing. If from before the day you signed up: You have a business scheme already designed to profit mainly from violating an agreement which is part of a business plan that causes a gain for yourself at a loss to the party you reached an agreement with, and persuaded them you would follow, Their Terms of Service, as part of the transaction to obtain their services. Your agreement encourages the other party to provide something of value (Telecom services), which they would not likely offer without you signing an agreement, and by accepting the agreement you had represented you would follow their rules. Your agreement to their terms becomes a deception at the service provider's expense: if you specifically intended to break the agreement. Especially if on the same day you agreed; you already had a business plan that would require violating the same agreement. You have what is called a fraudulent scheme If you agreed to a ToS always intending to violate it in order to profit at another party's loss, and you actually do profit. -- -JA _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog () lists nanog org/message/3YRU73DLYT5GGQ37DGX4OCIBH6WQED4H/
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