Re: BGP user friendliness (was Re: IPv4 flag day)

[Saku Ytti via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Don't think we want to specifically design for FIB and RIB creep.

Multihoming is scarcely needed, if we get our ducks in a row.

Non-content sharing sites can use QUIC to do location/identifier
separation, some implementations do, but usually only rehoming between
A, B instead of A, B any-order, but this is implementation detail,
protocol does support it.
Content sharing sites can use more advanced records than A/AAAA which
in a single query give client hints about redundancy and multipaths,
like SVCB, or something new.

Having said that, this shouldn't be read as relevant to IPV6 single
stack. While it may be a real problem, we need not couple it to
IPv4->IPv6 transition, IPv6 transition can take IPv4 playbook, warts
and all, as-is, and these other discussions can advance decoupled from
it.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 at 06:23, Brian Knight via NANOG
<nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> Is there any current effort underway to make BGP more accessible,
> user-friendly, or "plug and play?" Anything that might address some of
> the more technically demanding aspects of multihoming?
>
> Quick Google says no, but maybe someone has more awareness.
>
> I'm pipe-dreaming BGP multihoming becoming as simple as connecting two
> Internet links to a CPE, with no reduction in MTU. No SD-WAN, no
> tunnels, no NAT. Works over any kind of link: 5G, wifi, GPON, cable,
> fiber, carrier pigeon.
>
> CPE vendors might set up web pages that request IPs and an ASN for you.
> Sets up ROAs, IRR, and the CPE, start to finish.
>
> Maybe there's a new protocol where the carrier auto-generates a BGP
> multihoming token and sends it to the user in the order docs. User sets
> the token on the CPE interface facing that provider. Successful
> negotiation lets the customer announce their prefix and ASN. CPE and
> carrier manage it all, no network staff needed.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> On 2026-06-21 19:29, Dorn Hetzel via NANOG wrote:
> > Sure, have every hotdog cart run BGP, pretty soon we'll need 64 bit AS
> > numbers :)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 6:29 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG <
> > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > Most pizza shops aren't going to be able to manage BGP.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > >
> > > Midwest Internet Exchange
> > >
> > > The Brothers WISP
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