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RE: IDS taps in a switched network
From: dnewman () networktest com (David Newman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:59:16 -0400
Hi...can anyone recommend a network tap device for listening to a switch interface? I have recently heard these devices would allow me to monitor inbound/outbound traffic for a switch.
Yes -- any hub. ;-) The mismatch between switched devices and shared-access monitoring tools has been a problem for some time. None of the available tools are altogether satisfactory: --Ethernet hubs are cheap but introduce collisions and degrade performance--exactly what switches are intend to prevent. And Enet hubs are not applicable for WAN interfaces --Y-cables work OK, though there may be some signal attenuation. I've used an HP (now Agilent) Y-cable a few times to monitor traffic on a T1 interface, and it's always worked OK. But since they attach only ONE device on ONE port, Y-cables are not appropriate for monitoring all traffic through a switch. --Some makers of protocol analyzers make multiport "tap" modules specifically for switches. The one I'm familiar with is the Century 12-Tap from Shomiti Systems. It works OK in that it does not degrade performance (even at 100-Mbit/s Ethernet line rate) and it does allow monitor(s) to collect traffic simultaneously from multiple ports. I have never tried using a 12-Tap with anything other than a Shomiti analyzer, though. Another vendor in this area is LANhopper (and possible Agilent), but I have not used their tap products. --Some switches have a "spy port" that allows traffic to be redirected. This is really no better than a monitor hanging off a single port, since only one port at a time can be monitored. --Many switch makers embed RMON agents on every switch port; if RMON's capture group is supported, it should theoretically be possible to redirect traffic simultaneously from multiple ports. Lannet (formerly Madge and now part of Lucent) developed a switch-specific monitoring MIB called SMON a few years back; I believe the IETF just published a new RFC on SMON, but I haven't read it yet. The drawbacks with embedded RMON/SMON agents is that they add cost and, since many run on a software on a CPU-based management card, they can severely degrade performance. None of these approaches are IDS-specific. What we *really* need is for some big switch maker to run IDS code on an ASIC inside their switch. Any switch makers listening? David Newman
Current thread:
- Re: Comparison of several IDS Vin McLellan (Oct 26)
- Re: Comparison of several IDS Herve DEBAR (Oct 27)
- IDS taps in a switched network mark.gandy () dowcorning com (Oct 27)
- Re: IDS taps in a switched network Jackie Chan (Oct 27)
- RE: IDS taps in a switched network David Newman (Oct 28)
- Re: RE: IDS taps in a switched network R. Brockway (Oct 29)
- RE: RE: IDS taps in a switched network David Newman (Oct 29)
- RE: RE: IDS taps in a switched network Jackie Chan (Oct 30)
- RE: RE: IDS taps in a switched network David Newman (Oct 30)
- RE: RE: IDS taps in a switched network (The right tools for the job) Ron Gula (Oct 31)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Comparison of several IDS pcafarchio () icsa net (Oct 26)
