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[NANOG] Re: ISPs in Spain are blocking CDN IP ranges to tackle soccer piracy


From: "Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG" <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:22:02 -0500

You cannot expect the entire world to have the same laws as the United States.

If laws of foreign countries specify that some content that's legal in
the US has to be blocked in said country, it's 100% Cloudflare's fault
for wilfully and intentionally making such blocking impossible apart
from blocking Cloudflare's entire network, affecting all the other
customers, too.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  A simple Google Search for
ESNI / Encrypted Client Hello (ECH) / DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is all
Cloudflare on top.  They didn't just make it impossible by accident,
they made it impossible by design.  They've literally wilfully and
intentionally engineered their entire network for the all-or-nothing
scenario.

C.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 18:10, Tim Burke <tim () mid net> wrote:

These incidents shouldn’t be a thing to begin with, as “censorship” is not within the scope of an ISP’s 
responsibilities. Eyeball customers pay for access to the whole internet, not “the internet minus every CDN because 
ISP thinks it’s their responsibility to block websites they don’t want to allow”.

On Apr 14, 2025, at 16:16, Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:


How is it NOT Cloudflare's fault that their entire network always gets
blocked in these incidents?
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