[NANOG] Re: ISPs in Spain are blocking CDN IP ranges to tackle soccer piracy

[nanog--- via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Why is it not also 100% that government's fault for wilfully and 
intentionally making impossible blocking orders?

And why stop at ECH? Why not 100% blame Github's if China blocks Github, 
for using TLS? You're running defense for totalitarianism here - not a 
good look.

Yes, to help prevent totalitarian censorship, networks have been 
designed to prevent anyone other than the endpoints of a communication 
from learning what is being communicated. It's been a gradual process, 
ongoing for 30 or more years now. Dictatorships still sometimes turn off 
the entire internet because they can't block specific content, which 
makes their population angry at the dictator, who turned off the 
internet, and not at the content providers, who prevented the dictator 
from doing gradual blocks. Know what those dictators do the rest of the 
time? Turn on the entire internet, including content they don't like, 
because they can't selectively block it and the guillotines will come 
out if the internet stays off for too long.


On 15/04/25 03:22, Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG wrote:
> You cannot expect the entire world to have the same laws as the United States.
>
> If laws of foreign countries specify that some content that's legal in
> the US has to be blocked in said country, it's 100% Cloudflare's fault
> for wilfully and intentionally making such blocking impossible apart
> from blocking Cloudflare's entire network, affecting all the other
> customers, too.
>
> You can't have your cake and eat it, too.  A simple Google Search for
> ESNI / Encrypted Client Hello (ECH) / DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is all
> Cloudflare on top.  They didn't just make it impossible by accident,
> they made it impossible by design.  They've literally wilfully and
> intentionally engineered their entire network for the all-or-nothing
> scenario.
>
> C.
>
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 18:10, Tim Burke <tim () mid net> wrote:
> > These incidents shouldn’t be a thing to begin with, as “censorship” is not within the scope of an ISP’s 
> > responsibilities. Eyeball customers pay for access to the whole internet, not “the internet minus every CDN because ISP 
> > thinks it’s their responsibility to block websites they don’t want to allow”.
> >
> > > On Apr 14, 2025, at 16:16, Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > How is it NOT Cloudflare's fault that their entire network always gets
> > > blocked in these incidents?
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