Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Suresh Ramasubramanian via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

You are just seeing the email part 😊 Spammers have found a wider range of messaging products to abuse, and more users 
are using those products as opposed to email.  So a lot of the spammers just pivoted to abusing elsewhere.

Email spam groups are still quite active though, some have been operating for a very long time.

From: John Levine via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: Sunday, 17 August 2025 at 9:36 PM
To: nanog () lists nanog org <nanog () lists nanog org>
Cc: John Levine <johnl () iecc com>
Subject: Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

It appears that Tom Beecher via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:
> > Barry has a reasonable theory - that the economics of spamming is brittle -
> > but it is just that: a theory.
>
>
> Part of the theory itself is generally sound. If spamming isn't making
> someone money, much less spam would be sent.
>
> However, the assertion that the spam economy is 'fragile' doesn't really
> hold up. The number of spam emails hasn't substantively decreased in a long
> time. Year over year, it's generally flat to increasing. ...

I'm still seeing 90% spam but many people I know say that it's dropped to
more like 50%.  My guess is that the spammers have just figured out how to
do it a little more efficiently.  50% is still awful.

T's,
John

PS: my system is small and strange and has a lot of honeypots so I'm not
surprised spammers keep trying.
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