Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Michael Thomas via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On 8/16/25 4:42 PM, Matthew Petach via NANOG wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 4:10 PM John R. Levine via NANOG <
> nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2025, bzs () theworld com wrote:
> > > "Electronic postage stamps" are one possible approach and might become
> > > the general term for whatever resource management is adopted.
> > >
> > > But as a phrase it's too limiting and evokes certain counter-arguments
> > > as people stand up straw men and knock them down just based on those
> > > three words.
> > It's a great idea if you wave away all of the practical questions like
> > who's going to issue the postage, who's going to collect it, who's going
> > to pay for the infrastructure to do the checking, and who's going to
> > settle the claims when a crook breaks into your ISP and sends $10,000
> > worth of spam using your stamps.
> >
> > My preferred solution is a mandatory button in each e-mail message that
> > administers a small electric shock to the sender.  Each individual shock
> > would be no big deal but when thousands of people hit the button the
> > cumulative effect would be painful or for big time spammers, fatal.  It's
> > sort of like the old Bonded Sender idea but with electricity.  I have no
> > idea how to implement that either, but people who claim it can't work
> > are just opposed to creative, innovative ideas.
>
>
> "Electronic Postage Stamps" conjures up visions of a centralized Post
> Office type entity
> that issues postage.

Barry has been going on about this idea for decades, I think. It 
wouldn't work then, it won't work now. Nobody can put up a coherent 
argument for why the current cat and mouse situation isn't the 
acceptable balance, rather than some FUSSP that will never happen. Spam 
filtering is just a cost of business like electricity. You'd probably 
save more by addressing that with dilithium crystals, or something.

Mike


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