Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Jared Mauch via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 12:23:26PM -0400, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 11:16 AM Marco Moock via NANOG
> <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > On 14.08.2025 10:41 Jared Mauch via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyone at Google that is able to address the ongoing
> > > abuse problems that are coming out of your services like classroom,
> > > groups and otherwise?
>
> (with the caveat that i don't know anything about classroom, or groups
> really, but had walked down
> this path with reader back-when)
>
> The problem(s) from jared's original mail SOUND like a broken thing in
> some services
> that PROBABLY tried to provide protections, those either  missed the
> mark or work broken along
> some timeline... and maybe need some attention to fix/course-correct.

        yeah, i think there's a subtle thing here where the expectation
is that someone will be willing to opt-in or add *all* the addresses
that may end up in their mailbox, while i as postmaster need some way to
say "hey these well-formatted list-like things maybe shouldn't be put on
lists/groups/whatnot on your side"

> > It is a well know issue of a company named Google that supports
> > spammers.
> >
> > It took months months until they switched of Google Groups Newsgroups
> > It was being flooded with millions of spam posts and nobody took action.
> >
> > Google wants it that way.
>
> I don't think this is accurate.

        I agree, hence the note, but I think there's an element of this
is a weird corner case that needs some [minor] attention to improve
things.

        I may one day need access to google classroom, but not in the
role/nature that I'm getting the mails today, and I don't want to toss
all of google to /dev/null.

        This also isn't quite a google only problem, I see the same
thing from outlook/o365/hotmail but to a lesser extent.  YMMV.

        - Jared


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