Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Barry Shein via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On August 16, 2025 at 21:32 nanog () lists nanog org (Marc Binderberger via NANOG) wrote:
> > Most spam is already illegal.  But it is hard to coordinate a response
> > when the harm per individual spam is low and it's the cumulative effect
> > that is a problem.
>
> I assume Barry was thinking about the "electronic post stamp", not to send 
> the lawyers ;-)

Spammers' business models depend on sending O(1B) messages per day per
each basically for free, or at a negligible cost.

So anything which increases that cost or limits that behavior is
likely to be a threat to their business model.

Not too many honest sources need to send O(1B) msgs/day, and fewer
still need to do that for free, probably zero almost by definition.

That is, if they need to send that amount for free their business
model is of questionable honesty, so ipso facto.

"Electronic postage stamps" are one possible approach and might become
the general term for whatever resource management is adopted.

But as a phrase it's too limiting and evokes certain counter-arguments
as people stand up straw men and knock them down just based on those
three words.

> On 16 Aug 2025 13:56:54 -0400, John Levine via NANOG wrote:
> > It appears that Barry Shein via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:
> > > I still maintain a solution to most spam lies in the economic and
> > > business realm, not the technical realm of layering on yet another
> > > filter tho even an economic approach would require some sort of
> > > technical enforcement tho very different in nature.
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