[NANOG] Re: [NANOG]Re: Request to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with Enhanced Security Measures

[Dave Hart via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 2:57 PM Volkan SALiH via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
wrote:

> I didn't say anything illegal. I have been hoping to reach people who
> believe right of speech and rights to broadcast ideas.
>
> You could simply disregard if you disagree. Or say your ideas politely.
> You are not in position (supermoderator) to tell moderators "do something"
>
> so Please; be polite! Give Respect to be able to get it back.

I respectfully note that IMO demanding free services in the name of "rights
of speech and rights to broadcast ideas" is at best overzealous idealism
ignoring the realities operating a commercial IP network.  A less
charitable interpretation is "crazy".  You have all the rights to speech
and promulgating ideas as you can manage to arrange, but you have no right
to demand others provide you the means gratis.


> Mr. Leber cried here about lack of RPKI and spam filter , before. Now
> measures are available. So I have every right to answer in same channel...
>
> So he cannot advertise his own company as giving back to community,
> while they do not (anymore!)...


From my perspective as a longtime gratis customer of HE IPv6 tunnels in the
US, he.net is still giving back to the community and I continue to hold
them in high regard as a result.  I've had multiple IPv4-only ISPs in two
US states over the last quarter-century while volunteering in maintenance
of widely-used open-source network software that needs to work on
IPv4-only, IPv6-only and dual-stack networks.  If I didn't have IPv6
connectivity thanks to Hurricane Electric, I'd probably resort to cloud VMs
for IPv6 testing which would cause me to spend more time managing the
infrastructure and less time improving software.

Your attempts to strongarm he.net to revive a generous gratis service which
was having a negative impact on their paying customers seem unlikely to
succeed from my perspective, and a waste of time for around 12,000 NANOG
subscribers you feel entitled to involve in your quest.  Count me among
those who would support action to limit such abuse of the forum.

Feel free to disrespect me,
Dave Hart
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